2009 Arc.

I'll go with the Guineas/Derby/Arc Treble as well, Dancing Brave was beaten in the Derby....

I'll also go for the greatest horse I have ever seen. Speed, Stamina, Looks all wrapped in an unflappable temperament. We may never see him on a track again and I wouldn't be bothered if we didn't. He has marked himself out as one of the greats and I was fortunate enough to follow the whole thing from the Guineas win, where I saw him in the flesh, through to today.

A true champion and if he does turn up at Santa Anita I hope he stuffs the americans!!!!
 
tetley said:
I'll go for Guineas/Derby/Arc treble.
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Correct.

There's 57 unique combinations of the 6 races that Sea The Stars has won this year.

He's the first to have won 38 of those combinations.

And yes, I can give you the full list if you really want it :p
 
Fabulous, just fabulous. Nothing left to prove to anyone. God knows why I worried for a second that he might be falsely kept in! When he's asked to accelerate, his action is so strong. Most horse's non-leading legs are weaker towards the end of their races, but look at his - it powers forward straight as the lead leg, strong as you like - every part of this horse works at optimum effectiveness. The purest example of a horse doing, and being, everything right.
 
Gareth Flynn said:
Correct.

There's 57 unique combinations of the 6 races that Sea The Stars has won this year.

He's the first to have won 38 of those combinations.

And yes, I can give you the full list if you really want it :p
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I know I must be missing something obvious but if he's won all 6 how come he hasn't covered every eventuality?
 
krizon said:
Fabulous, just fabulous. Nothing left to prove to anyone. God knows why I worried for a second that he might be falsely kept in! When he's asked to accelerate, his action is so strong. Most horse's non-leading legs are weaker towards the end of their races, but look at his - it powers forward straight as the lead leg, strong as you like - every part of this horse works at optimum effectiveness. The purest example of a horse doing, and being, everything right.
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yes every stride is nearly like a jump as his back side propels him forward low and fast, he covers a huge amount of ground, good shots yesterday of how a horse should move.
 
What a race it would have been to see Zarkava try and defend against that both so similar in how there seasons went winning over a mile and then upwards. If they had raced each other i'm pretty sure both would have been tested to near their maximum.
Sea the stars = LEGEND
 
I had the privilege to see him at Epsom and at Leopardstown, and it really was fantastic to have seen a horse that people will be talking about for decades.
 
chroniclandlord said:
I had the privilege to see him at Epsom and at Leopardstown, and it really was fantastic to have seen a horse that people will be talking about for decades.
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Baring in mind how calm he was at Leop and the way he got a bit warm yesterday and pulled would you say he's had enough this year ? First time I've seen him look anyway wound up.
 
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tetley said:
I know I must be missing something obvious but if he's won all 6 how come he hasn't covered every eventuality?
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The 57 combinations include those such as Derby, Arc, Guineas but not the Eclipse, International, Irish Champion or Irish Champion, Arc, International but not Guineas, Derby etc.
 
Sheikh said:
Baring in mind how calm he was at Leop and the way he got a bit warm yesterday and pulled would you say he's had enough this year ? First time I've seen him look anyway wound up.
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I think he has had enough because he does not need to do anything - has been winning a G1 a month for six months and is going in his coat .

I don't think that the pulling had anything to do with that - his natural cruising speed was just much too fast for yesterday . As for the sweating up , that looked like a physical rather than temperament thing.

Sending a horse that has gone in his coat to boiling Santa Anita would be unnecessary
 
Just sat in the hotel in Paris now before catching the Eurostar home. A brilliant weekend and I didn't have a penny on STS yesterday nor on the other two occasions I've seen him at the Guineas and Eclipse yet I was clapping him about 2 out, it was just so obvious once the gap started to appear. Truly felt like watching once in a lifetime stuff.

I really want him to go to Santa Anita and then be retired. He doesn't need to prove anything as a 4 year old.
 
Aside from the winner...looking at the other performances in the race.

Youmzain surprised me that he ran so well again - clearly loves the place and the test that the Arc proves.

Dar Re Mi ran a fine race and looks sure to be very tough to beat in the Fillys & Mares Turf race at Santa Anita.

Fame And Glory is a horse I have a lot of time for, but I was disappointed that they reined him back. They seem to want to ride him like the majority of Montjeu's when he is unlike most of them. He is not a complicated, turn of foot Montjeu - he is a tough and resolute galloper with a fine cruising speed but not the acceleration after it. STS is clearly the superior horse, but I think F&G is capable of better than the likes of Conduit and Stacelita. Cannot see Santa Anita suiting him though.
 
The ride given to F & G was not the all guns blazing catch me if you can expected one but I am firmly of the view that a fast pace would have seen the same result - but he was hampered by Stacelita falling back close home and probably was value for being upsides Dar Re Mi .
 
I have found a text received from Mr Miller sent late last night - in which he appears to at last convinced by STS but jokes that Youmzain was " unlucky " :lol:
 
I thought Fame and Glory had a rough enough passage. With a clear run he might have made third or fourth. He might be better suited by Newmarket rather than Santa Anita.
 
chroniclandlord said:
I'll be surprised if Sea the Stars goes to the Breeder's Cup. Kinane certainly seemed against it.
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Mick Kinane hates to travel and he's no spring Chicken anymore. It would be a nice way to finish up by winning the classic with Sts having (possibly)got Giants Causeway beaten in it.
 
Ardross said:
I think he has had enough because he does not need to do anything - has been winning a G1 a month for six months and is going in his coat .

I don't think that the pulling had anything to do with that - his natural cruising speed was just much too fast for yesterday . As for the sweating up , that looked like a physical rather than temperament thing.

Sending a horse that has gone in his coat to boiling Santa Anita would be unnecessary
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John Oxx reckons he got a bump and that's what set him off. A few others seemed to get warm so perhaps it was just a warm day.
 
Whoever made the Mill House Fame and Glory comparison was miles off.

Are we pitching F&G's greatness credentials on his beatings of Fergus McIver and Mourayan in the spring or on his beating of Golden Sword and Mourayan in a race run to suit at the Curragh?
 
I ended going with my wife yesterday to Paris.


It was a great occasion to be there, and enjoy such a fantastic horse, what he has done winning so many races is fantastic and I was amazed he was able to win after such a trip and pulling so hard,

in terms of ability
it was his worst performance of the season , posting something like 127 in my figures.


Fame And Glory was very dissapointing, he is better than 130 but run a stinker.
 
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