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Just watching one of the documentaries about the 'third plane' that went down tonight. Terrifying, saddening and inspiring in equal measure really. With all the hysteria over burning Qu'rans and building mosques, it's hard to believe it's nine years since the day.

Hard to believe that I was in school at the time. Remember hearing the news as I was about to walk into a biology class and the RTE website crashing as the teacher tried to find out what was going on.
 
The mosque debate is ugly. Although I believe it should be built, do have to slightly question why out of all of Manhattan they chose that site...

Have you seen United 93 Trackside? Eietehr way it is a moving story. Very...
 
I dont think it should be built. Its provocative for provocatives sake a bit like the loon pastor.

These cultures show Zero tolerance for compromise ie. you wouldnt be allowed to build a church in Mecca or Riyadh would you so compromise and build the thing away from this extremely sensitive site or if you are offended fuck off to a Muslim country where you can practice your beliefs to your hearts desire!!
 
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can people remember what they were doing when the news broke?

I was doing a bit of web design work at home, and had sky news on in the background. Suddenly realised the presenters voice had got a tad excited so started watching. Spent the rest of the afternoon watching in disbelief and posting on this thread

Quite weird to read it back now, can remember just about every news site being down and those of us who had tv's near us were posting updates for people who were stuck at work :(
 
As far as I understand - it is not a mosque but a community service centre that it does have a prayer room (and indeed seperate ones for different religions).
 
My mother was watching it live from the USA at a certain tracking station nearby.

I was at home studying, took a break for a cuppa and caught the first report coming through. I was just walking across the sitting room to my chair and stopped dead at the sight of a plane flying straight at a skyscraper. Absolutely stunned. Then in tears later as the building went down.

What a cruel and wanton waste of life.

Maybe I am cynical but I find myself wondering why the clerics who egged those deluded young men into committing such an atrocity never actually thought the reward of paradise forever and 20 welcoming virgins was worth doing it for themselves.
 
I'd just started back at uni and me and my housemates had just gatecrashed the freshers' fair, got back to the house and put the tv and it was on the news. I think we must have sat there for about ten hours solid watching the coverage.

Watched World Trade Centre the other night and just reminded me how brave the emergency services and volunteers were. Sad times.
 
Believe it or not, I was actually playing in a charity 5-a-side at Hampden Park on September 11th 2001.

I'll never forget that day..............I scored an absolute peach in the semi-final.
 
Galileo said:
As far as I understand - it is not a mosque but a community service centre that it does have a prayer room (and indeed seperate ones for different religions).
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Exactly, but why let the facts get in the way of a good story?
 
Oh come off it hamm and put that guardian down! Its an islamic centre at thge very least, with some window dressing.

One question that could be asked (and maybe is) is whether they could have picked a site any nearer to ground zero?

I'm not against it in principle because america should show that its values are infinately superioir to those of the vile states that harry refers to.
 
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Oh come off it hamm and put that guardian down! Its an islamic centre at thge very least, with some window dressing.

One question that could be asked (and maybe is) is whether they could have picked a site any nearer to ground zero?

I'm not against it in principle because america should show that its values are infinately superioir to those of the vile states that harry refers to.
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Presumably alot of the people that will frequent this centre (it is not a mosque) would not want to live in those "vile" countries either so comparing what they do in those countries means very little to an American Muslim I would have thought.
 
Ask the musllims who attend this mosque whether christiasn and jewsh and hindus should be allowed to visit mecca

Well don't bother. Because we know the answer don't we?
 
clivex said:
Oh come off it hamm and put that guardian down! Its an islamic centre at thge very least, with some window dressing.

One question that could be asked (and maybe is) is whether they could have picked a site any nearer to ground zero?

I'm not against it in principle because america should show that its values are infinately superioir to those of the vile states that harry refers to.
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Are you trying to pigeonhole me then? :D

I really don't see how it matters where it is, and what it is - not every muslim in the world (believe it or not America) was involved in those attacks.

Only in America..
 
Not "only in america"

How about switzerland's banning of minarets ? Frances banning of headscarfs?

I would agree that in many societies (not just america) there will be too much eagerness to lump together all muslims under the same stinking values of the islamists, but at the same time, the head in the sand blaming "jewish conspiracies" and the US itself for 9/11 hardly helps their cause either does it? Its a view which is very prevalent across the islamic world as many a surevy has demonstrated

The building should go ahead where it is, on principle. But i am still of the view that it was a poor choice of location
 
I don't see anything wrong with what France did (or are doing) and would encourage more of that in England.
 
Im not so sure hamm. i think the veil is very inappropiate for public places and so on, but otherwise live and let live

I would ban kilts and anyone with ginger hair though.
 
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I don't see anything wrong with what France did (or are doing) and would encourage more of that in England.
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The Hospital church, St Lukes, has already lost the cross from its steeple.

The mosque in town, conversely, has just finished putting up its crescent, and the Hindu temple is a sight to behold with all its bright colours.
 
But France is a secular country, while Britain (which seems to surpise some people who think it is) is Christian - our royalty not losing its heads in a revolution and remaining at least titular heads and guardians of (Protestant) Christianity through the C of E. Therefore, France has every right to demand its citizens and visitors to act in a secular, non-religious manner in public. The veil is, though, a lot of bosh. It's absolutely NOT a stipulation in the Koran or anywhere else. The origins appear to be in the court of Cyrus the Great in Persia, who decreed that his court ladies veil themselves - presumably so as not to inflame the lusts of even the court eunuchs. Thus, other ladies decided they wanted to look like high-born or court favourites, and the veil gradually gained in popularity.

All that the Koran requests is that women dress modestly and do not display their 'charms' in public. Obviously, long clothing was already a la mode 1500 years ago, so there was no need to tell women not to wear mini-skirts or halter tops, since they didn't exist outside of female gladiators in Roman times. Many Muslim women are making a lot of hoopla about wearing the veil or burka (which is like an all-in-one, as per Afghan women) - however, they are technically wrong about it being a requirement of Islam, because it isn't.

As for the Islamic centre, by all means have one to meet the needs of American Muslims, many of whom are white, homegrown boys and gals, but out of some sensitivity to Ground Zero, perhaps Manhattan isn't the most appropriate place for it. It'd be a bit like siting the Nuclear Energy Commission's HQ in Hiroshima.
 
The centre isn't even in sight of Ground Zero, which is a relatively small area - it's a couple of blocks away. It's the usual suspects gobbing off about it in the US - ie the bible bashing belt of middle America. Did they end up burning copies of the Koran as they promised to at Ground Zero ? Such Christian principles.... :mad: Just as much zealots and urban terrorists, with their shooting of legal abortion doctors and continued terror tactics of any girl who goes to have one, as any member of an extremist Islamic cell...

Surely the whole ethos underpinning the Amercian Constitution is one of tolerance of race and creed....
 
Songsheet. I am no defender of the bible belt, but I think you need to look a bit closer at the racist genocidal beliefes of AQ and others before comparing. Americas record of inclusion of races and religions far outstrips that of any islamic state of course

As for the site. I know that area very well. I worked in an office on next block. Two blocks away in that part of manhattan is very close. Krizon is right. It seems an unnecessarily insenstive choice of venue
 
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