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Phil Waters
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The last time a terrorist detonated a nuclear bomb in Glasgow, a passer-by roundhouse kicked the explosion.
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Kathy
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Evidently, the Royal Alexandra Hospital, Paisley where the burnt suspect was taken is now being evacuated? shrug::
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Phil Waters
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It's because an alien has burst out of his stomach.
My gut reaction is that they sound like freelance amateurs, but I wouldn't have thought that advertising the hospital location was a smart move. I'm surprised they didn't take them to some military hospital to be honest. You've got to assume that if they were wearing some kind of explosives it wouldn't have taken until now for the authorities to notice?
Lee Chater
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Quote Phil; ' It's because an alien has burst out of his stomach.'
then Warbler has a ' gut ' reaction
then Warbler has a ' gut ' reaction
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They have also named the police station where the other suspect has been taken. I can't remember what it's called though. :shy:
Smart move indeed.
Smart move indeed.
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Phil Waters
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Sitting Duck Syndrome
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Strange name for a police station, Phil? 
A gut reaction on a normal Saturday would probably constitute a chemical weapon in its own right Lee.
It doesn't sound as if this lot have got a support group of a dozen mobile and heavily armed comrades ready to spring them from a hospital, but you really do wonder where Mr and Mrs Common Sense go to at times.
One also suspects the perpetrators are reasonably local sicne Glasgow is a strange target. There is at least one British airport that comes to mind which has the structural integrity of a greenhouse. As well as a host of easier targets I could (but won't go through)
It doesn't sound as if this lot have got a support group of a dozen mobile and heavily armed comrades ready to spring them from a hospital, but you really do wonder where Mr and Mrs Common Sense go to at times.
One also suspects the perpetrators are reasonably local sicne Glasgow is a strange target. There is at least one British airport that comes to mind which has the structural integrity of a greenhouse. As well as a host of easier targets I could (but won't go through)
suerunner
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I am off to Guernsey in a few weeks and hate flying at the best of times, but at a time like this it scares me sh**less. However, I hope it will be extremley safe to fly and I refuse to not go because of my fear. If I don't go, the b*******s have won and I refuse to let them bully and intimidate me out of something I will normally do, albeit nervously. If we let them disrupt the pattern of life, they have won. Stick two fingers up at them.
And my apologies for the language.
And my apologies for the language.
Hor hor! Love it Phil, also Warbler's gut reaction!
Seriously, the FT reports intelligence from the spooks who monitor Muslim fundamentalist websites that a bombing incident was both incited and indicated, apparently to underline that G Brown supported the Iraq war, but also in protest at Salman Rushdie's knighthood [which made me feel like bombing Downing Street too, Rushdie having sold his huge archive of papers to a US university whilst having accepted millions of quids' worth of security from the British taxpayer to save him from the consequences of his own arrogance].
The FT writer concurs with Warbler that this is a tema of home-grown amateurs who have clearly not had AQ training or guidence
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I wouldn't go as far as to reinforce the mystique around AQ by suggesting that every time one of these attacks fails (and, without wishing to tempt fate, the number of failures is mounting), that it must be the case that they didn't have the "benefit" of proper AQ training.
I would Gareth.
AQ have failed previously that's true, most notably the attempts in Los Angeles and the one in Paris, but these were potential 'spectaculars', ram raiding a car into Glasgow airport is hardly on the same scale. If they can destroy American embassies, and all but sink a warship, I'm sure they'd have little difficulty in parking a car
The threat to Heathrow when Jack Straw sent the tanks in wasn't real as it transpires, (so strictly speakign, wasn't foiled) the truth behind it was rather embarrasing as it transpires (though understandable at a level) which is why no public explanation has ever been given.
I didn't post it earlier but the Rushdie connection was one of my more immediate reactions (if you can after time in chit chat?). I know we've given out some pecuiliar knighthoods in the past, but this one left me flabbergasted. Quite apart from the fact that his work doesn't merit it anyway, and he buggered of the States as soon as his fatwa was lifted, I just can't see what the point of it was if it wasn't intended to provoke and incite. Someone must have had a migraine in the Civil Service when they popped this one through. How on earth does Tony Blair seriously think he can present himself as a broker for peace etc when his government has bestowed this honour on Rushdie? I'm half left wondering if it wasn't a knee jerk reaction to the captured sailors incident, where the RN were quite badly humiliated, and this isn't some petty kind of display to try and cock a snook, or humiliate Iran by using the one proxy guaranteed to inflame things.
Ultimately the whole honours system is largely unnecessary, but to think that people are now being put at risk because of it and its abuse, is frankly appalling. It demonstrates a complete lack of judgement on a whole host of levels.
AQ have failed previously that's true, most notably the attempts in Los Angeles and the one in Paris, but these were potential 'spectaculars', ram raiding a car into Glasgow airport is hardly on the same scale. If they can destroy American embassies, and all but sink a warship, I'm sure they'd have little difficulty in parking a car
The threat to Heathrow when Jack Straw sent the tanks in wasn't real as it transpires, (so strictly speakign, wasn't foiled) the truth behind it was rather embarrasing as it transpires (though understandable at a level) which is why no public explanation has ever been given.
I didn't post it earlier but the Rushdie connection was one of my more immediate reactions (if you can after time in chit chat?). I know we've given out some pecuiliar knighthoods in the past, but this one left me flabbergasted. Quite apart from the fact that his work doesn't merit it anyway, and he buggered of the States as soon as his fatwa was lifted, I just can't see what the point of it was if it wasn't intended to provoke and incite. Someone must have had a migraine in the Civil Service when they popped this one through. How on earth does Tony Blair seriously think he can present himself as a broker for peace etc when his government has bestowed this honour on Rushdie? I'm half left wondering if it wasn't a knee jerk reaction to the captured sailors incident, where the RN were quite badly humiliated, and this isn't some petty kind of display to try and cock a snook, or humiliate Iran by using the one proxy guaranteed to inflame things.
Ultimately the whole honours system is largely unnecessary, but to think that people are now being put at risk because of it and its abuse, is frankly appalling. It demonstrates a complete lack of judgement on a whole host of levels.
Totally agree Warbs. As for T Blair' judgement in thinking he can 'bring peace' to the Middle East, what does planet does he live on?
He's spent the last 10 years, since the moment of his first election, manoevering for a post-PM role on the 'World Stage' - he had the Presidency of Europe in mind all along, but was thwarted by the British reluctance to commit to the EU. This present role is far more likely to inflame Muslim passions than lead to any breakthrough, esp given Blair's closeness to high profile Israel insiders like Lord Levy.
He's spent the last 10 years, since the moment of his first election, manoevering for a post-PM role on the 'World Stage' - he had the Presidency of Europe in mind all along, but was thwarted by the British reluctance to commit to the EU. This present role is far more likely to inflame Muslim passions than lead to any breakthrough, esp given Blair's closeness to high profile Israel insiders like Lord Levy.
suerunner
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Warbler, I always tell myself that if a glider can soar without an engine, a plane with engines has no trouble. Mind you I have been in an aeroplane where it suddenly became a glider. That scared me!
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This is evidently the man that helped "restrain" the two terrorists who decided that driving their Jeep Cherokee through the front doors of Glasgow Airport was a good idea.
http://www.johnsmeaton.com/
http://www.johnsmeaton.com/
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He appears to becoming a National hero! 
Good on the feller - love the sites dedicated to 'buyiung John smeaton a beer'! - some of the comments are hilarious
However we should not get too carried away. This is sobering reading:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2...seshysteria.htm
and I tend to agree with the conclusion:
<< Similar attacks were a staple of the 60's and 70's but the government and the media downplayed them because they were of minimal threat to anyone and to hype such non-events was handing a propaganda victory to the terrorists.
Since the very definition of terrorism is to influence government policy not by the attack itself but by hyping fear of new attacks, the government of Gordon Brown is engaging in terrorism by strongly intimating that fresh attacks are inevitable.
Brown came to power with an agenda to push through new anti-terror laws including wiretaps being admissible in court and extending the 28-day detention without charge law to 90 days. Though such proposals failed under Blair and Brown was expecting a fight to get them passed, expect them to breeze through Parliament with little opposition following the outright panic that has been generated as a result of recent events. >>
I was living and working in central London throughout all the IRA bombings in the 70s, and was within a few hundred yards of most of the explosions. There was no panic or hysteria, we were all amazingly sanguine about the risks, and everyone just got on with their lives. The only measures taken were to remove rubbish bins inc on tube stations and on centre of city pavements, and to seal up some letterboxes
However we should not get too carried away. This is sobering reading:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2...seshysteria.htm
and I tend to agree with the conclusion:
<< Similar attacks were a staple of the 60's and 70's but the government and the media downplayed them because they were of minimal threat to anyone and to hype such non-events was handing a propaganda victory to the terrorists.
Since the very definition of terrorism is to influence government policy not by the attack itself but by hyping fear of new attacks, the government of Gordon Brown is engaging in terrorism by strongly intimating that fresh attacks are inevitable.
Brown came to power with an agenda to push through new anti-terror laws including wiretaps being admissible in court and extending the 28-day detention without charge law to 90 days. Though such proposals failed under Blair and Brown was expecting a fight to get them passed, expect them to breeze through Parliament with little opposition following the outright panic that has been generated as a result of recent events. >>
I was living and working in central London throughout all the IRA bombings in the 70s, and was within a few hundred yards of most of the explosions. There was no panic or hysteria, we were all amazingly sanguine about the risks, and everyone just got on with their lives. The only measures taken were to remove rubbish bins inc on tube stations and on centre of city pavements, and to seal up some letterboxes
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Two suspected in the bombings have been detained here in Australia in the last 48 hours. One is now officially in federal police custody whilst the other has been released and cleared of any wrong doing.
The one arrested had made numerous calls to the mastermind in Great Britain, trained in the same hospital in Liverpool and the mastermind apparently had his SIM card. Also had bought a one way ticket to India (via Malaysia).
The one arrested had made numerous calls to the mastermind in Great Britain, trained in the same hospital in Liverpool and the mastermind apparently had his SIM card. Also had bought a one way ticket to India (via Malaysia).