'abortion Like Holocaust'

I think that your cross examination of Maurice is offensive and over familiar.

Most people would have told you to get lost a long time ago - hence my posting . Since you have been on here you have picked fights on a number of occasions with at least three forum members . I deleted a very offensive posting of yours last night directed at another forum member . You have been suspended for a week and then let back on . I think that you should read some of your postings and imagine how you would like them being addressed to you .
 
Originally posted by Ardross@Apr 3 2005, 05:06 PM
I think that your cross examination of Maurice is offensive and over familiar.

Most people would have told you to get lost a long time ago - hence my posting . Since you have been on here you have picked fights on a number of occasions with at least three forum members . I deleted a very offensive posting of yours last night directed at another forum member . You have been suspended for a week and then let back on . I think that you should read some of your postings and imagine how you would like them being addressed to you .
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How is it i have had PM's from people congratulating me on how refreshing i am, and how much they agree with me on alot of things? And not to let the old school on here try and wind me up keep doing what i'm doing.
Asking what he would do or say if his daughter did the things he disagrees with is a perfectly fair question its not offensive at all. And if anyone finds it offensive then what are they hiding? If you make statements like his you should be prepared to have questions asked about your views. If you don't like poeple asking questions don't post your opinion.
 
I don't care two hoots what Pms you have had . What gives you the right to question Maurice about his family ? What business is it of yours ? Absolutely none .
 
If he doesn't was his business aired perhaps he shouldn't bring his family into it. He mentioned his daughter so i merely asked what he would do in a certain senario. No big deal really is it.
 
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I am sure his daughter is normal, i was asking what HE would do if the situation arrived that she was having a full and active sex life with someone she loved before she married. Or would he be able to understand thats what she wants to do, its not bad or evil, she won't go to hell for it.
 
Joanna - are you really as obtuse as you appear?

I've just been reading this thread's recent posts and I really don't think Maurice can be much clearer in his response to your question.

He quite clearly says it's down to his daughter's conscience, which is more than adequate response, so stop trying to pick fights on here - you have a big problem knowing the difference between debate and argument.
 
Originally posted by jejquade@Apr 3 2005, 01:17 PM
I personally don't understand how youngs girls get themselves into that situation, as long as your sensible there's very little reason for you to fall pregnant.
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Obviously spoken by someone who has never been in that situation.

And no, neither have I, but I have friends who have been sensible and careful yet still ended up pregnant. No form of contraception is 100%.
 
I have friends that have been in that situation, condoms and pills have failed, but most have had their child and don't regret a minute of it, others had their abortion and also don't regret it. Its all down to individual choice.
 
That's right: women on the pill can still get preggers if they have, for example, diarrhoea or vomiting due to an illness. Since bad cases can last over a day, the effectiveness of the pill is much decreased, and a pregnancy can occur. To err on the safe side, it's a good idea to take a second pill in such cases.
 
Yes and i have taken the morning pill, if i have been ill. And also a good point to remember is that if you take antibiotics, your pill won't work till after 7 days of finishing your antibiotics
 
Jejquade, my opinion is that what you seem determined to call 'normal' is only 'normal' to someone with the same secular mindset as yourself. It isn't necessarily 'normal' to someone with a different mindset.

I heard on CNN tonight that you don't have to be a cardinal to be the next Pope. I'm just keeping my options open <_<
 
I had my daughter when I was only turned 19, totally unplanned. The options were closed for me as when I found out it was too late for an abortion, which was good and bad. I've been very lucky in that her Grandma offered to look after her until I had settled into a new career and was in a position to look after her.

As for what is right, well I dont belive there is a right or wrong. Each situation is different and a desision should be taken individually Personally, before Zoe was born I would have considered an abortion, but as soon as she arrived she was the most special thing in my life and seeing her running about and riding her pony now makes me think how close we came as her not being here.

But I would never try to tell anyone what they should do, the desicion is hard enough, as is finding out the news in the first place. I've had friends who have had abortions, and others who have gone ahead whove both regretted & stood by their decision.

One thing is for certain, I could never have had her adopted. At the moment I miss her terribly as I only see her every few weeks, I couldn't imagine the thought of never seeing her again missing those magic moments. The wondering how she is/what she looked like would kill me
 
Yes, I think the word 'normal' is fairly useless, unless its' applied to the norms of making something like washing-up powder, where you don't want a nasty surprise. When we say 'this is normal' we generally mean, as Maurice says, 'this is normal for people like me'.

There are, of course, some very unattractive 'norms'. I think few of us would wish to consider genocide, war, rapine, torture, exploitation, corruption, poverty, etc. as 'normal' states, however permanent a feature they have become to humankind. Just because something's been in existence for a very long time doesn't signal its' rightness. On the other hand, if these norms of existence are so very wrong, why haven't we righted matters and abolished them? If the word 'normal' implies 'acceptable', and we know we don't find these situations acceptable, how is it that they have become almost 'normal' human states?

You know, I think I just killed my last brain cell. I'm off to bed.
 
:D I sometimes get into those 'what is the meaning of meaning?' circular perambulations, do my own head in, and have to retire, before the aged mater calls in the trick cyclist. Hope you're having a luvverly time in the sun, dear Mo, you lucky little basker.
 
Like Triptych says, no form of contraception is 100% effective & accidents can happen no matter how careful you are. I have more than one friend who has become pregnant whilst taking the pill and have subsequently had abortions, not something I would wish on anyone. Mo has probably got it right - the only form of guaranteed protection is abstention!
 
Well, not quite, SL. I knew I didn't want to have kids so got myself 'done' when I was 32, after years on the Pill. Of course, I was patronized to death before that by well-meaning, misguided doctors who didn't want to do the op 'in case you change your mind'. Silly, fluffy little thing that I was!

If people don't have religious restrictions placed on them (or feel they can ignore them), then that's one way to go, especially when you have had all the kids you want, or can support. Men can get vasectomies if they don't want to become fathers, or the fathers of more children if they have some already. If more husbands did that, there'd be less risk of Pill-related disorders for their wives to have to bear, but it's difficult enough in this country getting men to be so open-minded, let alone in countries where the culture is of male, er, potency... :brows:
 
Exactly, Kri....try suggesting to a man that he has the snip & see how much joy you get from it!!!! :lol:

What I was trying to say was that although a lot of teenage pregnancies do come about through sheer ignorance about contraception (which can only be a bad thing) not all unplanned pregnancies are a result of irresponsibility.
 
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