Batfair Hurdle

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Always a great race, and deserving of its own thread, as usual.

The weights aren't announced, so no OR for Arctic Fire as yet, but the handicapper isn't likely to take many chances with him, and I reckon he'll get 158 minimum, based on his Ryanair Hurdle run. Mullins might chose to swerve the race for an easier target at home, as he's an inexperienced horse to be carrying top-weight in such a competitive handicap.

I always like to have a couple of speculative ante-post dashes on this race, so have anchored my early view around GMOOH running under top-weight. I reckon he's almost a certain starter, and his mark of 151 isn't going to be a million miles away from 11-12, in AF's absence (Garde De La Victoire has the highest published rating of 154).

The two I like pre-weights are Top Notch and Lucky Bridle - 888 are a stand-out 25/1 about both. I forget why I picked them, but will post when I remember. :lol:


Edit: Err....that's the BETfair Hurdle! *

* First one to mention Robin, Gotham, The Joker or Commissioner Gordon, gets a virtual raspberry. :p
 
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Would be very interested in Emerging Talent off 136, but no idea whether he's an intended runner. Has entries over the next week.
 
Hawk High catches the eye, and some better ground might suit.

He ran creditably last time with top weight at Musselburgh after he was pitched out of his league at Haydock against The New One. Clearly goes well on a big occasion as he did win The Fred Winter. Probably not the best handicapped horse in there but certainly one who could go well. I'll be interested to see how the second from the Mussleburgh race, Strongpoint, gets on if declared in the CH trial on Saturday. Hopefully he can run with credit.
 
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<tbody>[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2"]NO.[/TH]
[TH]HORSE[/TH]
[TH]AGE[/TH]
[TH]TRAINER RTF%[/TH]
[TH]OR[/TH]
[TH]TS[/TH]
[TH]RPR[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]11-315[/TD]
[TD]Garde La Victoire[SUP]49[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Philip Hobbs[/TD]
[TD]154[/TD]
[TD]142[/TD]
[TD]152[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]0822-0[/TD]
[TD]Get Me Out Of Here[SUP]98[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Jonjo O´Neill[/TD]
[TD]151[/TD]
[TD]128[/TD]
[TD]154[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]69-126[/TD]
[TD]Bertimont[SUP]56[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Dan Skelton[/TD]
[TD]149[/TD]
[TD]130[/TD]
[TD]149[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]112-14[/TD]
[TD]Sign Of A Victory[SUP]43[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Nicky Henderson[/TD]
[TD]149[/TD]
[TD]137[/TD]
[TD]155[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]5/100-[/TD]
[TD]Rolling Star[SUP]364[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Nicky Henderson[/TD]
[TD]148[/TD]
[TD]58[/TD]
[TD]108[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]10-153[/TD]
[TD]Hawk High[SUP]37[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Tim Easterby[/TD]
[TD]146[/TD]
[TD]126[/TD]
[TD]147[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1126-4[/TD]
[TD]Sea Lord[SUP]70[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]John Ferguson[/TD]
[TD]146[/TD]
[TD]119[/TD]
[TD]129[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]25P/P-[/TD]
[TD]Cinders And Ashes[SUP]330[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Donald McCain[/TD]
[TD]145[/TD]
[TD]-1[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]F-220[/TD]
[TD]Hammersly Lake[SUP]28[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Nicky Henderson[/TD]
[TD]144[/TD]
[TD]108[/TD]
[TD]145[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]167-52[/TD]
[TD]Pine Creek[SUP]49[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]John Ferguson[/TD]
[TD]144[/TD]
[TD]132[/TD]
[TD]140[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]3-111[/TD]
[TD]Seedling[SUP]57[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Warren Greatrex[/TD]
[TD]144[/TD]
[TD]118[/TD]
[TD]141[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]11-1[/TD]
[TD]Top Notch[SUP]40[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Nicky Henderson[/TD]
[TD]144[/TD]
[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]135[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1218-3[/TD]
[TD]Activial[SUP]49[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Harry Fry[/TD]
[TD]143[/TD]
[TD]131[/TD]
[TD]142[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1143-2[/TD]
[TD]Calipto[SUP]112[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Paul Nicholls[/TD]
[TD]143[/TD]
[TD]124[/TD]
[TD]143[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]84-31[/TD]
[TD]Vasco Du Ronceray[SUP]77[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Nicky Henderson[/TD]
[TD]143[/TD]
[TD]84[/TD]
[TD]143[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]0-2241[/TD]
[TD]Dawalan[SUP]63[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Nicky Henderson[/TD]
[TD]142[/TD]
[TD]127[/TD]
[TD]139[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]5B-1P[/TD]
[TD]Goodwood Mirage[SUP]49[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Jonjo O´Neill[/TD]
[TD]142[/TD]
[TD]97[/TD]
[TD]142[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1222[/TD]
[TD]Karezak[SUP]42[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Alan King[/TD]
[TD]142[/TD]
[TD]113[/TD]
[TD]137[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1136-0[/TD]
[TD]Royal Irish Hussar[SUP]231F[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Nicky Henderson[/TD]
[TD]142[/TD]
[TD]104[/TD]
[TD]129[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]6-1350[/TD]
[TD]Ballyglasheen[SUP]49[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Evan Williams[/TD]
[TD]141[/TD]
[TD]107[/TD]
[TD]141[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]4P4-33[/TD]
[TD]Cheltenian[SUP]29[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]Philip Hobbs[/TD]
[TD]141[/TD]
[TD]120[/TD]
[TD]142[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]320-25[/TD]
[TD]Amore Alato[SUP]35[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Nick Williams[/TD]
[TD]140[/TD]
[TD]120[/TD]
[TD]140[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]216-38[/TD]
[TD]Fox Norton[SUP]91[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Nick Williams[/TD]
[TD]140[/TD]
[TD]106[/TD]
[TD]140[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1-112[/TD]
[TD]Jolly´s Cracked It[SUP]35[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Harry Fry[/TD]
[TD]140[/TD]
[TD]113[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]5-0732[/TD]
[TD]Mijhaar[SUP]36[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]John Ferguson[/TD]
[TD]140[/TD]
[TD]121[/TD]
[TD]143[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]46413[/TD]
[TD]Starluck[SUP]42[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]David Arbuthnot[/TD]
[TD]140[/TD]
[TD]116[/TD]
[TD]139[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]22-213[/TD]
[TD]Arzal[SUP]43[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Harry Whittington[/TD]
[TD]139[/TD]
[TD]105[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]41/226[/TD]
[TD]Red Merlin[SUP]105[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Donald McCain[/TD]
[TD]139[/TD]
[TD]135[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2-3131[/TD]
[TD]Aso[SUP]39[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Venetia Williams[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[TD]109[/TD]
[TD]131[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]0-2157[/TD]
[TD]Bordoni[SUP]70[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]John Ferguson[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[TD]121[/TD]
[TD]139[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]13-115[/TD]
[TD]Minella Present[SUP]85[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Neil Mulholland[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[TD]106[/TD]
[TD]136[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]3-2111[/TD]
[TD]On Tour[SUP]77[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Evan Williams[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[TD]113[/TD]
[TD]142[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]74-505[/TD]
[TD]Swing Bowler[SUP]28[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]David Pipe[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[TD]133[/TD]
[TD]146[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]117/02[/TD]
[TD]Balgarry[SUP]35[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]David Pipe[/TD]
[TD]137[/TD]
[TD]116[/TD]
[TD]137[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]116[/TD]
[TD]Ebony Express[SUP]30[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Dr Richard Newland[/TD]
[TD]136[/TD]
[TD]103[/TD]
[TD]130[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1-22F[/TD]
[TD]Emerging Talent[SUP]50[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Paul Nicholls[/TD]
[TD]136[/TD]
[TD]123[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]11-361[/TD]
[TD]Laser Hawk[SUP]52[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Evan Williams[/TD]
[TD]135[/TD]
[TD]107[/TD]
[TD]129[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]16-211[/TD]
[TD]Chieftain´s Choice[SUP]53[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]John Quinn[/TD]
[TD]134[/TD]
[TD]119[/TD]
[TD]135[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2153-1[/TD]
[TD]Forced Family Fun[SUP]32F[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]John Quinn[/TD]
[TD]134[/TD]
[TD]89[/TD]
[TD]134[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]F0-30[/TD]
[TD]Baradari[SUP]49[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Venetia Williams[/TD]
[TD]133[/TD]
[TD]128[/TD]
[TD]137[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1P848[/TD]
[TD]Cool Macavity[SUP]49[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Nicky Henderson[/TD]
[TD]132[/TD]
[TD]114[/TD]
[TD]137[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]3-222P[/TD]
[TD]Gassin Golf[SUP]49[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Richard Lee[/TD]
[TD]132[/TD]
[TD]127[/TD]
[TD]136[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]0-321[/TD]
[TD]Kashmir Peak[SUP]56[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]John Quinn[/TD]
[TD]132[/TD]
[TD]101[/TD]
[TD]134[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]42-511[/TD]
[TD]Sleepy Haven[SUP]28[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Jennie Candlish[/TD]
[TD]132[/TD]
[TD]95[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]9-4932[/TD]
[TD]Violet Dancer[SUP]42[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Gary Moore[/TD]
[TD]132[/TD]
[TD]108[/TD]
[TD]131[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1-2213[/TD]
[TD]Ballybolley[SUP]42[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Nigel Twiston-Davies[/TD]
[TD]131[/TD]
[TD]115[/TD]
[TD]130[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]F5F-1[/TD]
[TD]Fascino Rustico[SUP]32[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Dan Skelton[/TD]
[TD]130[/TD]
[TD]109[/TD]
[TD]127[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]31F[/TD]
[TD]Willem[SUP]241[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]David Pipe[/TD]
[TD]130[/TD]
[TD]-1[/TD]
[TD]106[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]13364[/TD]
[TD]Hello George[SUP]28[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Philip Hobbs[/TD]
[TD]129[/TD]
[TD]116[/TD]
[TD]133[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]A Boy Named Suzi[SUP]42[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Lucy Wadham[/TD]
[TD]128[/TD]
[TD]103[/TD]
[TD]129[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]46-1[/TD]
[TD]Snake Eyes[SUP]63[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Nicky Henderson[/TD]
[TD]128[/TD]
[TD]86[/TD]
[TD]129[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]144-F3[/TD]
[TD]First Mohican[SUP]28[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Alan King[/TD]
[TD]127[/TD]
[TD]107[/TD]
[TD]129[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]11211[/TD]
[TD]Lightentertainment[SUP]56[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Chris Gordon[/TD]
[TD]126[/TD]
[TD]113[/TD]
[TD]127[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]0-2d32[/TD]
[TD]War Singer[SUP]28[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Johnny Farrelly[/TD]
[TD]124[/TD]
[TD]81[/TD]
[TD]126[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]11P-5F[/TD]
[TD]Analifet[SUP]40[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]W P Mullins[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]96[/TD]
[TD]130[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2-1233[/TD]
[TD]Arctic Fire[SUP]40[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]W P Mullins[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]140[/TD]
[TD]155[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]142-22[/TD]
[TD]As De Ferbet[SUP]38[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]W P Mullins[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]-1[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]61815[/TD]
[TD]Blair Perrone[SUP]28[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]A J Martin[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]88[/TD]
[TD]129[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]4-25[/TD]
[TD]Buiseness Sivola[SUP]42[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]W P Mullins[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]81[/TD]
[TD]124[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]092-37[/TD]
[TD]Clondaw Warrior[SUP]49[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]W P Mullins[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]110[/TD]
[TD]127[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]211-62[/TD]
[TD]Daneking[SUP]38[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]W P Mullins[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]92[/TD]
[TD]141[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]343-34[/TD]
[TD]Diakali[SUP]244[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]W P Mullins[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]144[/TD]
[TD]165[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]31-01[/TD]
[TD]Lucky Bridle[SUP]90[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]W P Mullins[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]96[/TD]
[TD]147[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]51312[/TD]
[TD]Rock The World[SUP]42[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Mrs John Harrington[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]122[/TD]
[TD]146[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]66-F58[/TD]
[TD]Wicklow Brave[SUP]72[/SUP]
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[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]W P Mullins[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]139[/TD]
[TD]149[/TD]
[/TR]
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That's them in OR order to give an idea of the weights, not counting the Irish entries. Didn't come out as clear as I'd wanted but it's a start.:)
 
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Henderson on here now

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While the Triumph is no walk in the park this is an extremely tough ask for a juvenile. None has ever won it to the best of my knowledge, although I doubt too many have tried and I suppose novices have done well recently.

Nicholls' horses were needing the run around October time and Calipto ran well before appearing to blow up. Among the top of his generation last year, he'd be my early pick too.
 
NJH has his usual multi entry for this

He ran Punjabi in this and the same fate could await Sign of a Victory.
He got bogged down in the tacky ground last time and ran no sort of race.
14/1 isn't a bad price.

Be amazed if Top Notch ran he's nice novice but it would be big ask at this stage of his career,

VDR has been AWOL since November but is entered at Ascot on Saturday be interesting to see if he turns up and if BG rides.
Can't see him being good enough

Dalawan needs 3 miles and surely wouldn't have the pace for this.

JP's Snake Eyes is in both this and the Irish version on Sunday.
GMOH is JP's only other entry in this........the mind boggles
Be interesting to see if he goes to Ireland where JP has 3 other entries

Henderson's aside Evan William's On Tour could be a handicap snip of 138 in this. He's never stopped improving and won't mind the ground if it turns up very soft
 
While the Triumph is no walk in the park this is an extremely tough ask for a juvenile. None has ever won it to the best of my knowledge, although I doubt too many have tried and I suppose novices have done well recently.

Nicholls' horses were needing the run around October time and Calipto ran well before appearing to blow up. Among the top of his generation last year, he'd be my early pick too.

It used to be a lot tougher Wilson but when the Fred Winter was introduced the size of the fields reduced and that has made a big difference

As you say it's still a fair test but it's no longer the cavalry charge it was before.

There's a lot better chance these days of it being won by the best animals.

I think Nicky Henderson might quit if he can't win it with Peace and Co who looks something really special.

A lot of people are thinking........Really?...I hope he loses :lol:
 
Yes, I'd agree with that.

and my point was that running a 4 year old in the Betfair (or Schweppes for old men like you :D) sounds tough but is it any worse than running them in the Triumph ?

50/50 in my opinion.
 
In a highly-unusual bout of accuracy (:lol:), Tanlic has hit the nail on the head, Lee. The Triumph just isn't as fierce a race since the introduction of the Fred Winter.

Novices have a really good record in the Betfair Hurdle over the last few years, so it's not like it can't go to a lightly-raced horse - perhaps it is just too physical a test for a juvenile?
 
Isn't that what I was saying Grass ? :cool:

Basically I was just questioning, for anybody who may be tempted into an AP bet on Top Notch whether Nicky would run a juvenile in it ?. We know he's not afraid to run Novices in it - My Tent or Yours - but a 4yo ?
 
Isn't that what I was saying Grass ? :cool:

Basically I was just questioning, for anybody who may be tempted into an AP bet on Top Notch whether Nicky would run a juvenile in it ?. We know he's not afraid to run Novices in it - My Tent or Yours - but a 4yo ?

Aye....sorry, Lee - picked it up wrong first time. I can only assume my error was part of some form of cosmic realignment, after Tanlic finally got something right. :lol:

I hadn't even noticed Top Notch was a juvenile when I backed him (shame on me for not looking). I'm beginning to wonder if I'll even get a run.
 
No worries mate. It's what I explain to the missus as 'The Fever' when I get collared for nodding & hmming to anything she says.

Having shown latent - at the time, barely noticeable - symptoms around October, it becomes clear that something isn't quite right on New Years day. The anxiety, attention deficiency & sleepless nights then progress slowly to begin with, to a point of escalation where a week off work and some time away is required.

Thereafter it normally subsides quite suddenly but can take a week or so for the attention span to recover. Strangely enough the sleepless nights vanish immediately.

The aftermath is worse however with depression kicking and this, bar a brief relapse a month or so later, can last anything up to 12 months.
 
Thanks, DG. That puts AF on 155 and Diakali on 160. Looks like anything on the second page will probably need to pick up a penalty to get in.
 
Yep. Not particularly liking my chances of getting a run with Top Notch from about 50th on the list (ignoring any other reasons why he might not run), and Mullins no certainty to bring Lucky Bridle over either.

I might be back to the drawing-baord at the 5-day stage! :lol:
 
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