Best Trainer Of Chasers

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What would expect from a pig only a grunt!! Champagne West at Gowran today didn't seem too transformed from De Bromhead's methods. He simply carried on from what he was doing recently under Philip Hobbs. Neither of those two Giggi horses had issues jumping with their respective former trainers.

For me PF Nicholls is the best trainer of steeplechasers around. Just look at the amount of his horses who improve dramatically for a fence. Clan Des Obeaux probably the most recent example.


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I think trainers don't play a huge part in development of chasers.
Horses cotton on or not. You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
Jockey's play a major part.
 
For those that don't think trainers make a difference read Jane's post above.

I've been in a number of racing yards and the differences are astonishing, and I'm sure there's plenty I've never seen.

It's patently obvious that jockeys make a difference, but wins at the highest level are a sum of many parts.

Going back to the debate about who to rate the highest, there's also the combined cost of horseflesh in the yard to consider. The Value of horses bought for Mullins, Nicholls, Henderson, and Elliott is probably as much as everyone else combined!
 
Tom Dreaper used school all his horses over banks.
He believed a horse should be able to jump the bank and stand there to let the rider light his pipe before jumping off.
while he never trained an Aintree National winner Foinavon used be and found that patience of standing on a bank to be of good use to him the one time he needed it !
His staying chasers had the speed to win over 2 1/2 miles, won their 3 mile chases by daylight (and never looked like stopping ) and his 2 milers nearly won Gold Cups
Tom is still the Steeplechase trainer all others aspire to becoming methinks.
 
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Kauto Abu said:
What would expect from a pig only a grunt!! Champagne West at Gowran today didn't seem too transformed from De Bromhead's methods. He simply carried on from what he was doing recently under Philip Hobbs. Neither of those two Giggi horses had issues jumping with their respective former trainers.

For me PF Nicholls is the best trainer of steeplechasers around. Just look at the amount of his horses who improve dramatically for a fence. Clan Des Obeaux probably the most recent example.


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I'm not sure anybody can teach Champagne West how to jump! He's downright scary to watch.
 
He believed a horse should be able to jump the bank and stand there to let the rider light his pipe before jumping off.
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I suppose that in those gentlemanly days the rest of the field were expected to wait for them.
 
Just revisiting this after seeing something mentioned on Twitter

Colin Tizzard does seem to be a man who can get staying chasers to both perform on the track and have great longevity

Everything is relative to the money behind a trainer of course but I do like how Tizzard campaigns his horses

LIT all going well will have had a prep, Ascot, Kempton, Gold cup prep, GC, Aintree or Punch
 
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