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Betfair Chase Haydock Park Sat Nov 20th 2021

Eight scheduled to go to post.

Next Destination as big as 15/2 and declared in first-time cheekpieces. Good enough for me.
 
As frontrunner has just pointed-out to me, a decision on Royal P's participation will be made on Saturday morning. Given the ground, this almost certainly means the dead-eight will go up in smoke, so I have held my bet for the moment.
 
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Apologies again as off direct topic but had to say was watching Kauto Star's 4th win in this earlier, and seriously had tears in my eyes. He was out on his feet but still kept going. Absolute fantastic repetition from the crowd and deservedly so. I know we all have to go sometime but so sad he's still not here.
 
Kauto was totally written off in 2011, and was allowed to start at 6/1. A brilliant front-running effort. I’ve never seen a racing crowd happier.
 
For what it's worth, gut feeling says A Plus Tard might be undercooked despite HDB saying otherwise & wouldn't be for me at the prices. Problem is not sure who does then win. Think I'll chance Imperial Aura e/w, can't see Haydock suiting Next destination at all & surely suit him more if they go a mad gallop which I can't see. Twister will have BDM primed for this but might be a race too far at his age.
 
I don't like backing horses who are being trained for the Gold Cup in this, Even Kauto Star ahs gone for this undercooked.

However the Gold Cup is along way off and HDB may not think the same way as PN and may have his 110% ready to go.

BDM will be sure to be as fit as possible because this is his Gold Cup and anything that is not spot on is going to be left gasping for air in the closing stages, If time has not caught up with the grey.

This is going to be fascinating to watch so I am keeping my hands on my sheckles and sitting back to enjoy.
 
I've just done my figures for the race and I'd have to say unless you know for definite APT isn't going to run his race, it might be pointless looking elsewhere.

That said, PTKO didn't quite run her race last week so there's always that possibility.

But there's no rule that says you have to have a bet in the race.
 
Desert Orchid said:
I've just done my figures for the race and I'd have to say unless you know for definite APT isn't going to run his race, it might be pointless looking elsewhere.

That said, PTKO didn't quite run her race last week so there's always that possibility.

But there's no rule that says you have to have a bet in the race.
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Having watched last weeks race back again and in particular the prelims PTKO poor run can be put down to how buzzed up she got in the parade ring, her race was over before she went on to the course. I certainly wouldnt use it as evidence that Henry's need a run.
 
With the amount of prize money for the winner you would have to think H de B would have it ready but just in case I've agreed with Danny B and gone with Imperial aura at 10/1.hope all 8 run.
 
Clan Des Obeaux Cue Card and Native River all failed to beat Bristol De Mai but there's no denying he's getting older and last years win was his only victory in his last 9 outings


I am the first to say I was way to quick to judge and this looks a lot tougher than I thought it would be, even with Next Destination not taking part
 
Very impressive but he's beaten a 163 rated handicapper by 20 lengths who was out on his feet having made most of the running.

Bristol De Mai jumped on the most part very poorly and the writing was on the wall with a circuit to go.

Wouldn't have me rushing to take the 7/2 being offered by some cheeky bookies for the Gold Cup.:)
 
Desert Orchid said:
I've just done my figures for the race and I'd have to say unless you know for definite APT isn't going to run his race, it might be pointless looking elsewhere.
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Proper horse (and landed me a shortie treble with BMG and Buzz).

From the longshot thread:

Desert Orchid said:
I've no idea if they plan to run him this weekend in the Betfair Chase or wait for the Hennessy but, either way, I've taken Royale Pagaille at 50/1 for the Gold Cup.

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He wouldn't need to win either at Haydock or Newbury, just run very well and his price will contract.
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Must have some engine to run so well despite some very novicey jumping. Whether he is up to winning a Gold Cup I now have doubts as I was hoping his jumping would improve. Still, he beat everything else bar APT!
 
Tanlic said:
Very impressive but he's beaten a 163 rated handicapper by 20 lengths who was out on his feet having made most of the running.

Bristol De Mai jumped on the most part very poorly and the writing was on the wall with a circuit to go.

Wouldn't have me rushing to take the 7/2 being offered by some cheeky bookies for the Gold Cup.:)
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What rating would a 20l defeat of a 163 rated handicapper expect to get?
 

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