BLOODSTOCK and BREEDING 2012

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Thought we might kick off the new year with a separate thread, if that's okay?

As noted on the old thread, January 1st saw a half-sister arrive to NATIVE KHAN. No problem remembering that birthday, then.

And now, fearlessly culled from the pages of January's edition of TB Owner & Breeder mag:

STALLION MOVEMENTS

DICK TURPIN and these from the National Stud: fee for this year is £7,000 (1st October) at the National.
COCKNEY REBEL: fee £4,000 nfnf
BAHAMIAN BOUNTY £8,500 (1st Oct)
PASTORAL PURSUITS £6,500 (1st Oct)

Clarendon Farm offers TOBOUGG for £2,500 (1st Oct SLF, no groom's fee), and DOUBLE TRIGGER for £1,750 (1st Oct, ngf)

Withyslade Farm in Wiltshire offers INDIAN HAVEN (first season standing in Britain) for £2,500, Oct 1st SLF and EASTERN ANTHEM (first season 2012) for £2,000 Oct 1st SLF.

Bucklands in Glos. offers HELLVELLYN for £2,500, Oct 1st FFFR.

Shadwell show NAYEF @ £12,500 1st Jan SLF; SAKHEE @ £7,000 1st Jan SLF; AQLAAM @ £7,000 1st Jan SLF, and MAWATHEEQ @ £5,000 1st Jan SLF (first foals in 2012).

The Irish Natl Stud offers BIG BAD BOB for a straight £6,000.

Littleton offers NORSE DANCER at £3,000 1st Oct SLF.

Cheveley Park stand PIVOTAL for £45,000 1st Oct LFFFR, VIRTUAL for £4,000 same deal; DUTCH ART @ £12,000 1st Oct LFFR; KYLLACHY £10,000 1st Oct LFFR; MEDICEAN £8,000 same deal.

Darley stands AUTHORIZED for £10,000 Oct 1st SLF

Pastures Barn in Worcs stands BEAT ALL - the only son of DYNAFORMER in the UK, without stating his fee, but ask £2,000 NFFR Oct 1st for their WHAT A CAPER.

Dairy House Stud stands PRINCE FLORI from Germany, a dual-purpose sire, for £2,000 1st Oct NFFR - they also stand CROSSPEACE and SEPTIEME CIEL.

Yorton Farm stands new-to-the-UK MALINAS.

Beech Tree has GEORDIELAND for this year, while Colmer has BOLLIN ERIC this year, and PHOENIX REACH leaves the National for Mickley.

Hedgeholme presents PRIME DEFENDER for £1,750, ARABIAN GLEAM (the only son of KYLLACHY at stud) for £2,000 and MULLIONMILESANHOUR for £1,250.

Batsford in Glos. takes on KUTUB this year @ £2,000 1st Oct; stands also KADASTROF @ £1,250, FFFR; ERHAAB @ £1,250, 1st Oct, and PASTERNAK £1,250, 1st Oct.

Bearstone in Shropshire stands MAJOR CADEAUX, FIREBREAK and INDESATCHEL all at £3,500 Oct 1st LFFR - with a special offer of "free keep fees" for visiting mares.

Whitsbury offers SHOWCASING by OASIS DREAM @ £4,500 1st Oct NFFR, as well as AVONBRIDGE for £3,000, COMPTON PLACE for £6,000 and SAKHEE'S SECRET @ £5,500, all same deal.

Norton Grove in Malton, N. Yorks holds MONSIEUR BOND @ £5,000, 1st Oct.

Ballylinch, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland, offers LOPE DE VEGA @ E15,000, DREAM AHEAD £17,500, both 1st Oct.

Lanwades shows ARCHIPENKO and AUSSIE RULES both at £5,000, 1st Oct SLF.

Newsells offer MOUNT NELSON @ £6,000, 1st Oct LFFR
 
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The Irish Natl Stud offers BIG BAD BOB for a straight £6,000
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Their attempt at marketting ?!

I think Kutub will get plenty of support from NH breeders.
 
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Starting to consider my options of this season with two Teofilos due to arrive and an Iffraaj from one of the mares in hand. Stallion shopping is such a sodding mine field.
 
Sheikh said:
Do you have a short list or do you want to keep it under your hat ?
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Not even a vague notion never mind a shortlist yet - one is not my call (foal share arrangement, the Teo is mine and it's their call this time around). The other...what do you do with a Danehill x Fairyking mare? Has an Iffraaj yearling and due to Teo. Best previous best foal was by Celtic Swing (!)
 
Sheikh said:
lope de Vega perhaps.
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Saw him last year and wasn't overly impressed - might be worth another trip now he's had a chance to mature. Vaguely considering sending her to the US to visit Scat Daddy (assuming she'd get pedigree approved for his book)

ETA: I'd go to Shamardal before Lope De Vega too, but for the price.
 
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SHAMARDAL showing @ Euros 50,000. Those above him in price (in Euros):

SEA THE STARS @ 85,000; DANEHILL DANCER and INVINCIBLE SPIRIT @ 60,000.

The ones I see "on application" must be well supernova: AZAMOUR, DALAKHANI, DASHING BLADE, FASTNET ROCK, GALILEO, MONSUN, MONTJEU, RODERIC O'CONNOR, SINNDAR, SIYOUNI and SOVIET STAR.
 
krizon said:
SHAMARDAL showing @ Euros 50,000. Those above him in price (in Euros):

SEA THE STARS @ 85,000; DANEHILL DANCER and INVINCIBLE SPIRIT @ 60,000.

The ones I see "on application" must be well supernova: AZAMOUR, DALAKHANI, DASHING BLADE, FASTNET ROCK, GALILEO, MONSUN, MONTJEU, RODERIC O'CONNOR, SINNDAR, SIYOUNI and SOVIET STAR.
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Rodders is 9k as per his stud card.
Azamour is 15k.
Dalakhani is 40k.
Sinndar is 9.5k
Siyouni is 7k.

The others are indeed private/on application.
 
Cheers, Miesque - those are not the least bit supernova! When it's POA, can we assume it's five large? What I haven't seen yet is an advert for a sire saying 'strictly limited book' - is it a free-for-all this season?
 
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Cheers, Miesque - those are not the least bit supernova! When it's POA, can we assume it's five large? What I haven't seen yet is an advert for a sire saying 'strictly limited book' - is it a free-for-all this season?
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I know of two who have closed books already (indeed one had closed prior to Christmas!) so perhaps it's a case of stud discretion rather than touted policy?

As to POA - not always. It depends who and what the mare is...and who she belongs to in a lot of cases.
 
What do you breeding buffs think of Roderic O'Connor as a stallion?

I saw him at the Guineas and he was very small.
 
Must be my eyes,I was expecting Rod to be a small horse but I didn't see a small horse. I was only looking so I didn't stand into him.Mind you they'd all look small with J O' B on board. I liked him.

I was kind of thinking in the iffraaj price range that's why I didn't mention Shamardal. Have you seen Intense focus ?

Kri I think I saw frozen power is 'limited' to 125 mares :blink:
 
He's quite nicely put together but in the Guineas Paddock he was noticeably smaller than the others. I should think he is less than 15'2. He did look like a pony amongst horses. I may be wildly wrong mind.

This is what I said after the Guineas. My thoughts might have been a bit fresher then:

"I would not want to be backing either Roderic O'Connor or Pathfork. Both looked small, as if they hadn't really progressed from last season. In particular Roderic O'Connor who really is tiny. I would be very surprised to see him taking a hand in any major races this season since he seemed to lack any scope whatsoever. I seem to remember him being small last season, but clearly he hasn't grown and his lack of stature was more pronounced now his contemporaries have progressed."

Pathfork has yet to be seen since and, apart from Roderic O'Connor winning a really poor Irish 2000 Guineas, I think I was about right.
 
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Must be my eyes,I was expecting Rod to be a small horse but I didn't see a small horse. I was only looking so I didn't stand into him.Mind you they'd all look small with J O' B on board. I liked him.

I was kind of thinking in the iffraaj price range that's why I didn't mention Shamardal. Have you seen Intense focus ?

Kri I think I saw frozen power is 'limited' to 125 mares :blink:
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25-ish on paper is ok. Maybe more if the Teo is exceptional this year. Saw Intense Focus last year but I don't think the GC line would suit this mare (she's smaller and a bit butty). The Iffraaj is correct but not my cup of tea, she's very much a sprint type, unsurprisingly, and isn't want I aim to breed.

I think the most PC phrase I heard of Rodders was "not much frame to grow into"....
 
Miesque said:
I think the most PC phrase I heard of Rodders was "not much frame to grow into"....
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I wouldn't disagree with that at all.

He was nicely put together, well proportioned and so on from what I remember just everything was small!
 
Any on the lists so far we know to be unsound, nutcases, ill-tempered, unreliable, poorly-conformed, prone to throw the odd wonky one, or otherwise iffy in spite of a good race record?
 
Crikey! And at those prices!! You could put up with a few known bleeders for under a grand, but there's not many of those to the pound.
 
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