British Woman sentenced to death in Bali

she isn't the root..but she and people like her helps the roots grow.

at the end of the day..you go to a country..you know their rules on drug smuggling..there are massive signs saying if you smuggle drugs you will be put to death..even a simple person can understand that

i'm not against people doing what they want..i would even suggest they trialed making drugs legal..just so that those that want that can see the effects.

I believe that selling drugs in the same way we sell the two we now sell..fags and booze wouldn't help the problem of those that people always make excuses for..the addictives who will then just blame the government for allowing such easy access the source of their addiction.
 
icebreaker said:
This is quite typical of the modern attitude of always blaming something else for a person's criminality -- they came from a dysfunctional background; they are poor so they rob/burgle; society has no "respect" for them etc etc.
Of course this woman is responsible for the situation she finds herself in -- she was caught smuggling a shedload of lethal drugs into the country.
It's unfashionable nowadays to suggest that a person takes responsibility for their own actions. Blame something -- or someone -- else.[/

Another one that misses the point completely, no "modern " anything!
Yes shes responsible and I couldnt care if they stoned her!
Im saying...again...that the drug problem is caused by the cartel leaders.
Enough of this now for me..;)
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Desperate Dan said:
Just that the punishment is ridiculously excessive and does absolutely nothing to tackle the real problem.
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It's only excessive in the same way that the sentence for having sex with a 14yo in Spain is lenient. Their actions could cause the death of hundreds of people.

Punishing less fiercely because you know you're not tackling the real issue seems a bit farcical too. As someone else mentioned earlier - say someone from a dysfunctional family murders someone - should they get a lesser sentence because giving them the full sentence doesn't address the real problem?

I blame the taxman myself. If he lowered his rates on booze we'd all be getting sufficiently sloshed to not bother with drugs. ;)
 
harry said:
Another one that misses the point completely, no "modern " anything!
Yes shes responsible and I couldnt care if they stoned her!
Im saying...again...that the drug problem is caused by the cartel leaders.
Enough of this now for me..;)
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And another one who is so self-assured that they are "right" that they convince themselves that everyone else "misses the point completely". Every else bar themselves.
Arrogance, egotism and self-delusion.
I've had enough of it also, tbh.
 
EC1 said:
when people are so desperate for a drink..that they break into my home to take the f00k all i've got..so they can buy a 4 pack ..yes:)

the ends people will go to to fuel a drug addiction is slightly different to alcholol in the effects its has on the country

i'll just make my position clear..i don't care wtf anyone does..its totally their business..as what i do is mine...they can take what they like ..drugs drink..bostic..petrol...BUT when that habit THEY have got increases crime where i live..which usually means old or vulnerable people getting burgled or mugged...then its time to do something about it

all this..people have the right to do just what they want..is totally fine with me..until they infringe on other people's lives. My habits and vices don't bother anyone..and i expect the same from others.

sorry if thats offensive or deemed wrong in our soft arsed society;)
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I wasn't really having a dash at you, EC1.

I was trying to infer that alcohol is just as damaging (indeed, it is much moreso, imo), in terms of it's societal impact, than controlled drugs. Yet alcohol is freely available and completely legal.

When Dibble and Tories start arguing in favour of some degree of legitimisation, you know that the attitudes are changing, in terms of how society views drugs. The simple truth is that for every skeletal Smackhead stealing TV's to fund a habit, there are untold tens of thousands enjoying drugs perfectly harmlessly - except perhaps to themselves.

Contrast that with with the A&E wards up and down the country filled with assault victims, the vast manority of them there due to the negative effects of alcohol misuse.

It is all arse-about-tit. All of it.

Society would be about 60% safer overnight if you legalised every controlled drug. People would be too busy geting f*cked out their tits, to be bothered with scrapping in a p*ss-filled gutter at 2am.

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Are you seriously suggesting that alcohol makes people aggressive but other drugs do not?
 
icebreaker said:
And another one who is so self-assured that they are "right" that they convince themselves that everyone else "misses the point completely". Every else bar themselves.
Arrogance, egotism and self-delusion.
I've had enough of it also, tbh.
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Hilarious!!!
See ya!!!
 
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Grasshopper said:
Where did I suggest that, Arthur?
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You say the A&E units are filled at weekends with victims of alcohol fuelled disputes (which is true, by the way but only partly so, because a lot of them have also taken drugs). But then you claim society would be 60% safer if all controlled drugs were legalised because people would be having too good a time to be getting into fights.

If that is not a suggestion that alcohol makes people aggressive while other drugs do not I don't know what is.
 
I know people who smoked/smoke dope. Very peaceful folk indeed while on the weed. In fact if you'd given them a frontal lobotomy you wouldn't notice the difference.
 
Sheikh said:
I know people who smoked/smoke dope. Very peaceful folk indeed while on the weed. In fact if you'd given them a frontal lobotomy you wouldn't notice the difference.
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maybe we should give frontal lobotomies on the NH..save the trouble of actually taking the drugs to get to a similar level;)

it would be cheaper than rehab
 
Desperate Dan said:
Not as cheap as executing them:)
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you appear to be trying to make some snide point..i've already made my view clear..which is no way exteme..in fact a damn sight more even minded than some of the comments made on many a thread on this part of the forum...i didn't bring the frontal lobotomy statement up..so maybe you should be judging and sniping at someone else

i've already said people can do wtf they want..that seems very easy going imo..so whats your problem?
 
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