British Women Of Our Lifetime

Who is the greatest British Female?

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As they have to attain the same levels of skill, pay exactly the same amount in entrance fees, travel expenses, staff, etc so why not just pool the prize-money and let them all play together?

Trial it for a year and then ask all of the Women if they would like to go back to their own tour events with the over-inflated (albeit 20% less) prizemoney for the spectacle that they provide.
 
Originally posted by Ardross@Apr 23 2006, 10:09 AM
No - equal pay for work of equal value - moreover winning a tennis championship is identical .
The pay should not be equal until the female champion plays anywhere near the amount of sets, or puts in a similar amount of hours on court that the male champion does.
 
Im all for equal pay in work places etc. Its just woman's tennis that I dont agree with. As i said above, its a different game.
 
Really? Apart from the number of sets what rule differences are there ?

For most of the year in most tournaments men play only three sets too .
 
Originally posted by Euronymous
Women do not have to attain the same skill level at tennis to earn a fantastic living, this is because they do not have the same array of opponents. When Navratilova was playing she had two credible opponents, Macenroe in the same era had half a dozen
 
Originally posted by Euronymous@Apr 23 2006, 12:08 AM
I think it`s a disgrace that the Aussie and US opens pay the front bums the same
Crikey - am I the only person who finds this comment grossly offensive? You may disagree with the subject in hand but revoltingly offensive and sexist labelling like that should be kept to yourself.
 
Euro - there was nothing witty about the comment whatsoever and if you can't see it as grossly offensive then I give up.
 
You wouldn`t last very long working in the north. Front bums is a humorous term and can only be found offensive by the overly sensitive.
 
Well it's good that I have no inclination whatsoever to work in the north then. In the civilised world that is a grossly offensive, sexist turn of phrase. I'm not one to be easily offended by sexist comments towards women either having spent ten years working in male dominated workplaces and often being the only female on the receiving end.
 
Of course not Colin, as women should only be seen and not heard, never mind swearing (disgraceful behaviour) whilst they are chained to the kitchen sink. Whilst of course men are allowed to swear like troopers, punt, drink and generally have a good time - just so long as they make sure their little woman toes the line.
 
I missed 'front bum' - what a very quaint term! Another to add to the apparently unending euphemisms for 'private parts'. My Mother today referred to saying to one of the nurses who help her to wash, that she had missed her 'pretty'. Of course, this was intended as a joke. I have to say that fb is an oddity - I missed it first time round, and I've never heard it used before. It seems strange that otherwise bright young men on here suddenly because rabid at the thought of women earning prize-monies equivalent to men's endeavours, and that to shore up their irrational arguments, they feel the need to employ derogatory terms. Dear, dear, beginning to feel threatened, are we? How sad.
 
I did a degree in Sports Science and I can tell you that while the female tennis players may have the same level of skill as the men, any attempt to define the fitness of the players depends on 3 seperate measures, strength, stamina and flexibility.
I dont believe any top women tennis players could compete on the strength or stamina of the men, hence they do not have the same levels of fitness so could not play 5 sets.
Mens tennis is so much more varied, there will be at least 5 or 6 matches that end 6-0 6-0 in the womens draw at wimbledon, there will not be a single whitewash is the mens draw.

Dom, you have to learn not to take Euro remotely seriously, he says things just to annoy people and is very much of the opinion that he is right and no-one else is allowed an opinion. I agree with you that the comment was offensive and should nt have been said
 
In terms of sheer skills and abilities the likes of King, Graf and the two Martinas etc would be a match for any within the mens game.

And as for attendances, the WTA tour and ATP tour are pretty much equal in terms of crowd numbers when it is at all comparable.

Mens tennis is so much more varied, there will be at least 5 or 6 matches that end 6-0 6-0 in the womens draw at wimbledon, there will not be a single whitewash is the mens draw.

Score lines might vary but the style of tennis would not.

Matches like Hingis versus Serena Williams in the Aussie Open a few years back is a match for any of the great mens matches of recent years.
 
Well said . The only reason why some men's matches appear more competitive is fast serving.

Of amazing woman's matches that Hingis -v- Graf French Open final comes to mind edge of seat stuff.
 
The argument isn't whether Hingis vs Graf etc differs from a top men's match in terms of skill, appeal or attendance - because they don't; however the women's game as a whole is much weaker than the men's game. Crucially there is less strength in depth, making tournaments easier to win, early rounds less competitive and the product less marketable to audience.

I do not think that audiences are comparable either; surely a non-championship WTA event doesn't draw the same crowd as an equivalent ATP event? I don't have the figures to hand but a quick Google of women’s tennis attendance reveals concerns over big events not selling out, here is a snippet from the Grand Slam Committee report in 2003 about the WTA/ATP Tour Championships:

Much has been made of the poor attendances at the women's championships in Los Angeles where the Staples Center was almost empty for many of the early matches last year.

The men's event, by contrast, saw fans flock to Shanghai to witness the biggest professional sports event held in China.

Looking ahead at ticket prices to the comparable events this year - spectators will pay 300% more to watch the men’s championship than the women’s event. The effect on gate receipts is clear and I would be very surprised if this was not mirrored in both sponsorship and merchandising revenue. I appreciate that this is one example, but until I see evidence that this is not the case across the majority of the calendar then I will presume that it is.

Of course at the combined major events their will appear to be equally good attendances at both the women’s and men’s games, but if these events were split into women’s and men’s event how many of those spectators would attend the women’s-only version? Far fewer. If I have a ticket to watch an early round of a men’s major – say a top seed verses a player in the world top 100 - and there was a comparable game from the women’s event on beforehand then I would probably attend. But I wouldn’t purchase a ticket purely for a women’s game of that nature.

Matches from either sex where the crowd are familiar with, and can associate with the players, will always attract attention and will therefore generate revenue. Lesser matches will not. The difference is that the men’s game is packed with such matches, whereas the women’s game is not.

I think that it is fair to say:

- The women’s tour does not generate the same revenue for either the hosts, sponsors or manufacturers as the men’s tour
- If the major combined events were split into two separate events, then men’s event would be better attended and would generate more revenue (for the hosts, sponsors and tennis equipment manufacturers)
- Prize-money comes from this revenue.
- Prize-money should be dictated by the importance of winning event to all stakeholders not by misplaced political-correctness
- None of the above is sexist.
 
The whole gist of my argument is why are female tennis players different than female golfers? No one moans about the latter not being payed as well.
 
Originally posted by Ardross@Apr 23 2006, 09:35 PM


Of amazing woman's matches that Hingis -v- Graf French Open final comes to mind edge of seat stuff.
If those two had put the hours on court that the two male finalists had in getting to the final, they`d have been too knackered to provide a great spectacle.
 
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