Cartoons Of The Prophet Muhammad
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BrianH
At the Start
I was thinking of putting the pictures up on here, but thought better of it....
Merlin the Magician
At the Start
Its stifling FREE speech me thinks! I heard a debate earlier on the BEEB ................it’s only a cartoon and I reckon they ought to be posted in the newspapers to see what they are complaining about.....
BrianH
At the Start
OK, let's start with the Western Mail - and be prepared to run like feck...
:lol:
Merlin the Magician
At the Start
:lol:
G
Griffin
Guest
I've just seen a piece about this on the six o'clock news. Muslim men protesting, carrying placards with slogans such as 'Kill those who disrespect Islam' and 'Behead those who hate Islam'. I find that more offensive than any cartoon on any given subject ever could be. They're the ones inciting racial hatred now.
BrianH
At the Start
I am a believer in free speech and am anti-censorship. At the same time I'm a realist and a pragmatist and can't help feeling that it's a little silly to upset some rather volatile people at this moment - without anything to gain
BrianH
At the Start
Too right - and the cartoons wern't even funny!
Merlin the Magician
At the Start
Agreed GIFFIN I see them on the box earlier burning the DANISH flag in PALESTINE now it’s escalated through out the MUSLIM world……….. it’s a bubble just waiting to burst? B)
BrianH
At the Start
You won't find anyone disagreeing there, suny, though there will be a variety of differing solutions offered. As a thought on the side, can you imagine the reaction in parts of the USA (and elsewhere) if an Arab newspaper had published cartoons about Jesus?
As I said, personally I'd have no problem with either type of cartoon but if I were an editor I'd know exactly what I was stirring up if i went ahead with them - and i really do wonder if the Danish editor realised.
As I said, personally I'd have no problem with either type of cartoon but if I were an editor I'd know exactly what I was stirring up if i went ahead with them - and i really do wonder if the Danish editor realised.
Merlin the Magician
At the Start
Any betting formed yet ...regards the N.O.W publishing on Sunday??
G
Griffin
Guest
I still don't think they'd be waving placards with 'Kill Muslims' on it though in response. No doubt if it were a group of Christians protesting in London with offensive placards they'd all be arrested.
BrianH
At the Start
You are either joking or are not aware of the fundamentalist Christian right in the USA
G
Griffin
Guest
You are either joking or are not aware of the fundamentalist Christian right in the USA [/b][/quote]
I'm not aware of them being as extreme as the behaviour seen these past few days amongst Muslims.
Colin Phillips
At the Start
It's all a bit precious innit??
Merlin the Magician
At the Start
Mass Muslim protests have continued across the world in response to the publication of cartoons in some European newspapers caricaturing the Prophet Mohammed.
Britain's Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, criticised the papers for being "disrespectful" to Islam and praised UK newspapers for their restraint in not publishing the images.
He said freedom of speech did not mean an "open season" on religious taboos.
As he spoke, dozens of Muslims protested in central London.
There has been fierce debate as to whether the cartoons are an insult to Islam or an exercise in free speech.
One of the cartoons shows the Prophet Mohammed wearing what looks like a bomb as a head-dress, while another shows him saying paradise is running out of virgins.
They were defiantly reproduced by many newspapers in Europe including France, Italy and Spain, although not the UK.
In Indonesia, hundreds of people stormed the Danish embassy in Jakarta shouting "Allahu Akbar" - God is Greatest.
They smashed lamps with bamboo sticks and threw chairs to show their fury at the cartoons first published by a Danish daily news paper
In Gaza, gunmen held hostage and later released a German man.
Protests erupted in the Middle East after Friday prayers. "We will not accept less than severing the heads of those responsible," one preacher told worshippers at the al-Omari Mosque in the Gaza Strip.
Pakistan's parliament passed a resolution condemning the cartoons as "blasphemous and derogatory".
The editor of a Norwegian magazine which reprinted the Danish cartoons said he had received 25 death threats.
A Jordanian editor was sacked for reprinting them, despite saying his purpose had been only to show the extent of the Danish insult to Islam, while in Iraq Christians said they feared a new wave of attacks by Muslims.
Gunmen surrounded a French cultural centre in Gaza to demand an apology - Hamas gunmen carried out similar actions around the EU office on Thursday.
Muslims have also boycotted Danish goods such as Lurpak butter and there have been bomb threats against Danish facilities in Arab countries.
The BBC, along with ITV and Channel 4 News, ran images of the cartoons in its output, prompting demonstrations outside its London HQ.
Islamic tradition bars any depiction of Mohammed
Britain's Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, criticised the papers for being "disrespectful" to Islam and praised UK newspapers for their restraint in not publishing the images.
He said freedom of speech did not mean an "open season" on religious taboos.
As he spoke, dozens of Muslims protested in central London.
There has been fierce debate as to whether the cartoons are an insult to Islam or an exercise in free speech.
One of the cartoons shows the Prophet Mohammed wearing what looks like a bomb as a head-dress, while another shows him saying paradise is running out of virgins.
They were defiantly reproduced by many newspapers in Europe including France, Italy and Spain, although not the UK.
In Indonesia, hundreds of people stormed the Danish embassy in Jakarta shouting "Allahu Akbar" - God is Greatest.
They smashed lamps with bamboo sticks and threw chairs to show their fury at the cartoons first published by a Danish daily news paper
In Gaza, gunmen held hostage and later released a German man.
Protests erupted in the Middle East after Friday prayers. "We will not accept less than severing the heads of those responsible," one preacher told worshippers at the al-Omari Mosque in the Gaza Strip.
Pakistan's parliament passed a resolution condemning the cartoons as "blasphemous and derogatory".
The editor of a Norwegian magazine which reprinted the Danish cartoons said he had received 25 death threats.
A Jordanian editor was sacked for reprinting them, despite saying his purpose had been only to show the extent of the Danish insult to Islam, while in Iraq Christians said they feared a new wave of attacks by Muslims.
Gunmen surrounded a French cultural centre in Gaza to demand an apology - Hamas gunmen carried out similar actions around the EU office on Thursday.
Muslims have also boycotted Danish goods such as Lurpak butter and there have been bomb threats against Danish facilities in Arab countries.
The BBC, along with ITV and Channel 4 News, ran images of the cartoons in its output, prompting demonstrations outside its London HQ.
Islamic tradition bars any depiction of Mohammed
Colin Phillips
At the Start
Enjoying this, Merlin?
Merlin the Magician
At the Start
Gareth your so correct mate in what you say!! When they offer themselves to die, its for their maker!! This guy MUHAMMAD....
ALLAH in their eyes and they then kill ex number of innocent Jews or innocent ordinary people who are in the wrong place at the wrong time...
I really think as stated earlier! Its a bubble just waiting to burst in my estimation
Colin yes I agree, most threads can be very interesting given the right treatment by all.....
ALLAH in their eyes and they then kill ex number of innocent Jews or innocent ordinary people who are in the wrong place at the wrong time...
I really think as stated earlier! Its a bubble just waiting to burst in my estimation
Colin yes I agree, most threads can be very interesting given the right treatment by all.....
Everyone has a right to their opinion (preferably based in some type of reality), and while criticisms of any religion should be fair game for discussion (now that we know we can't be burned at the stake by the Catholic Church, for example, for even MENTIONING any others). However, a deliberately offensive cartoon against Islam's messenger is unnecessary, presumably fairly unfunny, and frankly, extremely disrespectful. It probably shows how far a lack of any belief in any organised faith has got, though.
Merlin, 'this guy Muhammad' is one of the three revealed prophets - the three men who started the three main religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam: that's Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad in that order. I don't think that if you were a devout Christian, and it's clear you are not, you'd appreciate Jesus being shown as some sort of goon, or referred to as 'this guy Jesus'. You might try a bit of respect for others' right to a belief, however little you have of your own.
The Gulf States have now boycotted all Danish goods (which formed a pretty healthy income for the country, especially in dairy produce), and unless the Danish Govt. apologises and promises no more lampooning of Muhammad (it is anathema to portray him, in the same way that there are serious anathemas even to this day in the other two religions) I imagine their embassies will be closed and Danish workers will have their work visas cancelled.
British people are so used to poking fun at anyone, disrespecting whatever they like, that it probably comes as a bit of a surprise to find out that some people do take certain things very seriously indeed. Just as we do when 'those bloody foreigners' have the temerity to criticise anything in this country, for example.
Merlin, 'this guy Muhammad' is one of the three revealed prophets - the three men who started the three main religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam: that's Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad in that order. I don't think that if you were a devout Christian, and it's clear you are not, you'd appreciate Jesus being shown as some sort of goon, or referred to as 'this guy Jesus'. You might try a bit of respect for others' right to a belief, however little you have of your own.
The Gulf States have now boycotted all Danish goods (which formed a pretty healthy income for the country, especially in dairy produce), and unless the Danish Govt. apologises and promises no more lampooning of Muhammad (it is anathema to portray him, in the same way that there are serious anathemas even to this day in the other two religions) I imagine their embassies will be closed and Danish workers will have their work visas cancelled.
British people are so used to poking fun at anyone, disrespecting whatever they like, that it probably comes as a bit of a surprise to find out that some people do take certain things very seriously indeed. Just as we do when 'those bloody foreigners' have the temerity to criticise anything in this country, for example.
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Ardross
Guest
I despise fundamentalist religion of any kind . Irrational belief largely used as an excuse for bigotry , violence abuse and intolerance
Euronymous
Senior Jockey
I still don't think they'd be waving placards with 'Kill Muslims' on it though in response. No doubt if it were a group of Christians protesting in London with offensive placards they'd all be arrested. [/b][/quote]
Brian is right, the fundies are as bad over the pond.
This tosser presumably can drive around Kentucky unimpeded.
