Chasers & Hurdlers 2014/2015

I think Don Cossack has earned his lofty rating..he is OHR rated 175..TF always are a tad higher..and his form backs those figures up. Coneygree is under rated though..he is not far behind Don..vautour has the potential to be even better though..his run from 3 out at cheltenham was off the scale
 
granger said:
King's Palace likely being aimed at the Paddy Power - Don't know why I do it to myself
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I was balls deep to the hilt in this creature for the RSA and wonder just how much having company up front contributed to the bad error he made. Surely won't have an easy time in front in such a big handicap. That said if he's double figures on the day would find it hard to resist him.
 
archie said:
No you couldn't because, as Slim so pointedly remarked, Vautour's chasing rival in the stable was UDS and there was little doubt which route UDS would take.

No big deal anyway because odds below 5/1 this far ahead are only for small stakes accas.
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I suppose that's fair enough, Archie - the presence of UDS undoubtedly had an influence on Vautour's target last season. Still don't think it's stuck-on that Douvan will go Arkle route, but agree it looks likeliest option.
 
Euronymous said:
I was balls deep to the hilt in this creature for the RSA and wonder just how much having company up front contributed to the bad error he made. Surely won't have an easy time in front in such a big handicap. That said if he's double figures on the day would find it hard to resist him.
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If you are not that big into DC, KP has even bigger questions to answer
 
Grasshopper said:
You could have said exactly the same thing about Vautour this time last year, Archie - exactly the same thing.
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Doesn't matter if you know he's going to run over fences and you back him for the Arkle beforehand.

If I am right and he even goes slightly odds on you can lay him and you have just backed an even money winner.

Or you hold on to your bet if his trainer indicates he will def be aimed at the Arkle.

Considering he'll be 1/4 first time he goes to post over fences and should he hack up laying him back at evens look the way to go to me.
 
Anyone looking to back Douvan at odds-on for the Arkle four months before the race, probably has their food pulped by a nurse each morning.
 
Certainly as a single bet.
Some food for thought for deciding Cheltenham targets. Last season Vautour had his first race on 23 November and UDS on the 27th (the day that Slim advised his brilliant bet). Douvan and Faugheen were both out on the 22nd and Shaneshill on the 19th. Mullins sends out many of his top horses in the last week or so of November and you wouldn't be surprised if Douvan's seasonal debut was in either of the races contested by UDS and Vautour last year with the others all reappearing about the same time. Unless Shaneshill is brilliant or there is a problem with Faugheen, if Douvan runs well you'd say the Arkle route will be decided by the end of November and his price is likely to be about 6/4.
 
Im finding this thread and possible targets for Mullins horses more confusing and complicated than the Syrian crisis, I really am. I am sure i will catch on in about nine weeks time.
 
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granger said:
King's Palace likely being aimed at the Paddy Power - Don't know why I do it to myself
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I reckon they might pitch KP at the Paddy Power/Hennessy double. His current mark (OR154) is potentially quite lenient, and I think he could land a decent handicap. A staying-on effort at Cheltenham probably won't hurt his mark for Newbury, and if Coneygree runs off top-weight (OR172), I'd fancy KP's chances in receipt of a stone-and-a-half, and a feather-weight..........though as others have stated, a big field of burly, seasoned Chasers might temper my enthusiasm a bit.
 
I've just tried to do the KP double for the above races, but neither PP nor Betfair Sportsbook will allow the multiple.

Is this a related-contingencies issue, or are they both just a couple of flamers?
 
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Doesn't have the courage for either race imo
Seems to curl up in a ball when the pressure cranks up.
 
I do wonder when will Don be made favourite, again proven he's in good shape for this season and the market still has him against an unproven stayer and a horse who'll need soft going come the day. Not a great price though this far out but still to not be twice as low as those 2 is mind boggling.
 
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