Cherie Blair

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As we have threads up about Piers Morgan and Heather McCartney i thought i`d start one on possibly the only public figure i find more repulsive than those two.

First off, can someone explain to me the thought process behind someone who would buy this woman`s book? I can dig why Jordan`s autobiography would be popular, but this one - I just don`t get it.
 
Hard to work that out Euro. I was thinking it might be because her father was a famous actor, that she overcame tremendous odds to become a QC, she married the future PM and has all the gossip about the inside of Government in the UK for 11 years.

But then, Jordan has huge tits.
 
Originally posted by an capall@May 14 2008, 11:45 PM
I was thinking it might be because her father was a famous actor, that she overcame tremendous odds to become a QC
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Mmm, i`ll concede the gossip, although i can`t recall Denis Thatcher having a major book deal - could be wrong. But the getting to be a lawyer bit and the famous hack father - who feckin cares.
 
Didn't realise Denis Thatcher was her Father ! Between that and the Royals they really like to keep it in the family......... norty I'll just get my coat shrug::
 
She should be interesting and would expect some interesting comment on wider issues, but the excerpts ive read have been largely banal and gossipy.

Apart from the odd outburst shes made, ive never quite understood why shes attracted so much hostility. Well...i can guess...but not the right reasons
 
Originally posted by clivex@May 15 2008, 09:16 AM
She should be interesting and would expect some interesting comment on wider issues, but the excerpts ive read have been largely banal and gossipy.

Apart from the odd outburst shes made, ive never quite understood why shes attracted so much hostility. Well...i can guess...but not the right reasons
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But how can you entertain a word she says Clivex - she's a devout Catholic, responsible for her husband's conversion to that evil faith. Surely the only pupose you will be buying her book is to stack it high on a pile of Catholic Prayer Books to burn them with your mate Andre Hurley?

Meanwhile, surely Denis Thatcher was always too p**sed to be in a fit state to pen memoirs?
 
Devout Catholics of my acquaintance don't take their contraceptives to Balmoral in their sponge bags :rolleyes:

The woman is utter, honking hypocrite, and that's enough to condemn her in my eyes. A champagne socialist of the worse sort, sucking up to the rich and famous while pretending to be a champion of the poor. Bah humbug!

Her book is already selling for half price, but that's the publisher's problem - she will have made her money on the massive advance / payment on delivery. Sales - ie her % as royalties - won't add much to that sum.

The economics of publishing are those of the madhouse, and I worked in it long enough to know :what:
 
The wife of a friend of mine was a schoolfriend of her`s and still keeps in touch with her. She can`t speak highly enough of her and says her public image is a million miles from the real Cherie.
 
Devout Catholics of my acquaintance don't take their contraceptives to Balmoral in their sponge bags
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So either devout Catholics

1. Don't use contraceptives?
2. Don't go to Balmoral?
3. Don't use sponge bags?

What's your point?
 
Originally posted by Headstrong@May 17 2008, 09:31 PM
Devout Catholics of my acquaintance don't take their contraceptives to Balmoral in their sponge bags :rolleyes:

The woman is utter, honking hypocrite, and that's enough to condemn her in my eyes. A champagne socialist of the worse sort, sucking up to the rich and famous while pretending to be a champion of the poor. Bah humbug!

Her book is already selling for half price, but that's the publisher's problem - she will have made her money on the massive advance / payment on delivery. Sales - ie her % as royalties - won't add much to that sum.

The economics of publishing are those of the madhouse, and I worked in it long enough to know :what:
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Most of these books these days seem to be flogged for sweet fa after no time at all on the shelves.

Either they are making an eternal loss (which I doubt else why publish) or the original prices are total mark up rip offs. I suspect the latter. I say lets join Clivex and Andrew in "burning the books". Anyone else in? Intolerant bigotry can go a long long way!
 
Originally posted by an capall@May 17 2008, 10:13 PM
Devout Catholics of my acquaintance don't take their contraceptives to Balmoral in their sponge bags
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So either devout Catholics

1. Don't use contraceptives?
2. Don't go to Balmoral?
3. Don't use sponge bags?

What's your point?
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My point, AC, is that *devout* Catholics don't use contraceptives - they obey RC teachings

Some of my family are Catholic btw, as was my best friend at university, and I went to a Convent myself until I passed the 11 plus, so I do know a little bit about where the line is drawn

Just another eg of Cherie's hypocrisy in all things imo, and yes I'm aware that a lot, maybe even a majority of practicing RC now use contraception - but I would not class these people as *devout*


numbersix: I daresay the serialisation or whatever they have arranged will have covered a large part of the sum Cherie was paid to write the book - there's also the printing/binding/distribution of course, and then the % earned by the bookseller. There may also be Book Club deals, which are pre-paid. But sometimes big publishers use these high profile books as 'loss-leaders' to attract other authors. Sometimes they just get in a bidding war and don't seem to do their sums! - it's a sort of 'macho display' syndrome :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by numbersix@May 15 2008, 01:34 PM
But how can you entertain a word she says Clivex - she's a devout Catholic, responsible for her husband's conversion to that evil faith. Surely the only pupose you will be buying her book is to stack it high on a pile of Catholic Prayer Books to burn them with your mate Andre Hurley?
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Not only a Catholic, but allegedly has close links to a fairly extreme Catholic sect too, in Opus Dei!!

Funny, nevermind knowing someone who is/might be a Catholic, I had the impression that AC was Catholic himself, and as such might have an inkling about the faith!
 
She's not part of Opus Dei - quite the contrary; she's on the liberal wing of the Church - one of those who would like to affect change from within.
 
Ruth Kelly is Opus dei and thus not fit to be part of a secular goverment IMO.

Shes not fit anyway :rolleyes:


As for Cherie, did she really have to dish up the mental picture of that contraption (whatever the heath robinson thing is) and Tony shooting his load into it? :what:
 
Originally posted by an capall@May 19 2008, 04:26 PM
Thanks for the lecture on Catholicism HS. I will try to follow your logic. I may be gone a while.
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It's nothing to do with logic! I'm questioning the use of the *word* DEVOUT to describe someone who doesn't follow the RC church's teaching. You can be a lapsed Catholic, a practicing Catholic, a liberal Catholic.... but if you repeatedly and wilfully do something contrary to the teaching of the church, and of the Pope, how can you possibly be a DEVOUT Catholic? And let['s not even go into all her messing with crystals, sceancing, and all kinds of New Agey stuff which is on the cusp at least of Paganism.

I'm well aware we have many Catholic members on here whose knowledge of the faith is a great deal deeper than my own. My knowledge of the language however might be sufficient to question the association of the word DEVOUT with Cherie, given she self-admittedly disobeys RC doctrine and teaching. In my book, a *devout* follower of a faith follows its teachings, be they Muslim, Jewish, Sikh or Catholic {Yrs etc, BA Hons, Eng Lang}
 
If this is just an argument about the definition of the word devout, can we not just look up the dictionary?
 
Originally posted by Gareth Flynn@May 20 2008, 10:02 AM
If this is just an argument about the definition of the word devout, can we not just look up the dictionary?
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Well, here's one definition:

"adj. de·vout·er, de·vout·est

Devoted to religion or to the fulfillment of religious obligations. See Synonyms at religious.
Displaying reverence or piety.
Sincere; earnest: devout wishes for their success"

So game, set and match to Headstrong on this one! I would agree - if you describe yourself as a 'devout' Catholic, then surely you follow the religious teachings as proscribed by the Head of the Roman Catholic Church.

It's not a case of Pick 'N Mix your religious choices, surely?

Cherie is crass - in the same mould as her father, unsurprisingly.
 
if you describe yourself as a 'devout' Catholic, then surely you follow the religious teachings as proscribed by the Head of the Roman Catholic Church.
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and (as with any religion) can therefore be described as an unthinking, brain washed, drone

Devout or not, if shes had the good sense to think about what she agrees and disagrees with ("contraptions" and all) then fair play to her
 
Devoted to religion or to the fulfilment of religious obligations. See Synonyms at religious.
Displaying reverence or piety.
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if you describe yourself as a 'devout' Catholic, then surely you follow the religious teachings as proscribed by the Head of the Roman Catholic Church.
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Songsheet, your proposition does not follow from the definition of 'devout' supplied above. Roman Catholics are not obliged to follow everything the Pope has to say, any more than an Anglican has to unquestioningly follow the Archbishop of Canterbury or the Queen.

There is of course a set of core beliefs that all are obliged to subscribe to if they are to consider themselves Catholic, but Vatican policy on contraception is not part of it. I know many Catholic people who take their religion seriously but are strongly opposed to the Pope on numerous issues.

Clivex, perhaps you would consider editing your post unless it was your intention to deliberately cause offence.
 
There is of course a set of core beliefs that all are obliged to subscribe to if they are to consider themselves Catholic,

I agree Grey and than there are the other issues (contraception for example)that will be discussed and pondered over by people for eternity with people reaching different conclusions but as long as a person subscribes to the core values than they are devout.

Just because the top man in Rome has a different opinion on a subject that was never an issue when Jesus Christ was around doesn't mean your not devout. For arguements sake if that was the case than one could be alternatively devout or non devout on the passing of each new Pope and their new ideas.
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