Christmas Present

Joe Dangleberry is nothing more than a pleasant-looking shower-crooner, and he will bomb without trace as soon as X-Factor 2010 has kicked-off.

Cowell's output is a thin gruel that he spoonfeeds to the gormless, to ensure their attention-spans remain measured in nano-seconds. The only discernable talent he has is in separating arseholes from their money.

The public gets what the public wants.
 
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There are more dignified ways of separating the unsuspecting from their dough, BM....like pinching the pennies from a blind beggar's bowl.
 
The beggar didn't choose to be blind. The public are choosing to watch the X-Factor. They are fair game.

However, speaking as someone who has been making (a little) money via the RATM campaign and some fairly murky affiliate marketing, I accept that I'm hardly an impartial judge.
 
Oh, God, now Ratters are talking about doing 'something like this' every Christmas. So now there'll be the farce of an X-Factor commercial product versus a product purposefully setting out to undermine the X-Factor, thus ensuring it's highly commercial, too. As for morons, how soppy is the mindless gang that bought the RATM CD because RATM told 'em to? Mind control on both sides, and so trivial. And chucking in the 'we'll donate to the homeless if you buy our CD' - what a ferkin cynical ploy that is. How much did RATM think to donate to Shelter before now? And you'd be heartless bastards not to buy after that, wouldn't you? But it's just a sly commercial manoeuvre which even Simon Cowell hasn't stooped to benefit by.

I'd like an end to begging-bowl public piety from performers, whatever the damn cause. If they want to donate (it's tax-deductible, let's not forget) to African AIDS orphans, rural Romanians or desperate dogs in Deptford, just bloody give the dosh, and shaddup.
 
Grasshopper said:
Joe Dangleberry is nothing more than a pleasant-looking shower-crooner, and he will bomb without trace as soon as X-Factor 2010 has kicked-off.

Cowell's output is a thin gruel that he spoonfeeds to the gormless, to ensure their attention-spans remain measured in nano-seconds. The only discernable talent he has is in separating arseholes from their money.

The public gets what the public wants.
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I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong GH, but didn't you say Susan Boyle would disappear never to be heard from again?

I don't watch the X-Factor but flit in and out of the room feeding and watering my charges. They've been tipping Joe since the outset so fair play to them. They even voted (which annoyed me slightly as a waste of the price of the phone call). More than once, they've confessed.

The little I heard of the guy tells me he'll be big. Partly because he actually can sing - he's a lot better than recent winners - and partly because he has the Cowell machine behind him.

If he does have a difficulty, it will be because he's male. Female singers are more marketable.
 
I can't recall what (if anything) I said about Susan Boyle, DO..........but there's every chance you are right. Equally, there's every chance you are right about Joe Dangleberry - perhaps he will have a long and successful career?

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me, given that the general public appear quite happy to settle for mass-manufactured, easily accessible, over-produced, muzak-of-least-resistance, soporific dross. It's McDonalds-on-a-drum-machine...................and about as enriching and satisfying as a Big Mac.

X-Factor is a show where hacks with no discernable musical talent of their own, decide which other hacks with no discernable musical talent (beyond the ability to hold a tune) get to be famous for 15 minutes...........all of it conducted to a backbeat of premium-rate tones being punched rhythmically into the handsets of the bored, bewildered or mentally incontinent.

I do not approve of such shows on any level.
 
The big problems with the X-factor is that the participants have to be able to sing and they have to be able to sing what they are told to sing.

There are far more major acts over the last 40 years who would have failed rather than succeeded. U2, Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, the Rolling Stones wouldn't even have got through the auditions. What the show really will produce are well-marketed cabaret acts.

That said I watched most of it this year and enjoyed it.
 
Flagship uberalles said:
Correct - however, the point is still valid - surely the people who bought RATM because of a media campaign are equally as sheep-like as those that buy the X-Factor winner's single?
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Whats more while it denied Cowell the actual number one, the hype and "battle" to number one probably lead to more sales of The Climb than would have been the case - more money for Cowell.

Thought the whole thing was a bit of a sham to be honest.
 
Melendez said:
There are far more major acts over the last 40 years who would have failed rather than succeeded. U2, Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, the Rolling Stones wouldn't even have got through the auditions. What the show really will produce are well-marketed cabaret acts.
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It doesn't really promise anything more though, does it? It is what it is.

1.01 Grassy failed miserably at the first audition stage in Edinburgh btw... :D
 
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Grasshopper said:
In fact, it wouldn't surprise me, given that the general public appear quite happy to settle for mass-manufactured, easily accessible, over-produced, muzak-of-least-resistance, soporific dross. It's McDonalds-on-a-drum-machine...................and about as enriching and satisfying as a Big Mac.

X-Factor is a show where hacks with no discernable musical talent of their own, decide which other hacks with no discernable musical talent (beyond the ability to hold a tune) get to be famous for 15 minutes...........all of it conducted to a backbeat of premium-rate tones being punched rhythmically into the handsets of the bored, bewildered or mentally incontinent.

I do not approve of such shows on any level.
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I largely agree with you there, GH.

Having said that, there are some very talented performers around these days and some genuinely very good singers.
 
X Factor wants to produce another Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Alicia Keys, Rihanna etc all guests that appeared on the show. I guess most on here do not like that "type" of music but X Factor never claims to be anything more than what it is.

But the idea that this is some sort of serious or sore blow to Cowell is what I laugh at.I can imagine the sales for next year's Christmas No 1 will be bigger again and it is likely that this year's winner is probably going to be No 1 next weekend anyway.
 
What has amused be no end is how utterly offended and outraged so many people seem to have been by Joe whatsisname's X Factor single failure to be Christmas number 1. As though it matters! What a disastrous blow to his career - his debut single going straight in at number 2 and probably going on to be number 1 next week. What a crap result.
 
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