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THEBOO said:
EC - I understand it's out of frustration but referring to folks you know absolutely nothing about as arrogant ****s is just arrogant in itself. Not everyone is like you, not everyone is the same! People are at different stages, looking for different things, some folks like to be in the thick of it with comments all over the place, others prefer to read and perhaps comment occasionally, some folks might start by just reading and then become poster/commenters later on. It doesn't mean they don't appreciate the folks that post nor enjoy what they read in the thread. I do agree that at the very least they should express that appreciation with a thank you comment.

Gigilo - I read everything you post in this thread. Why? Simply because I recognise the quality of the work you do to get to the selections you make - your results speak for themselves - outstanding - by far the best I have come across. Of course I benefit from what you provide and for that I have thanked you both with the "thanks" button and by commenting. I know (and I am sure you do too) that there are other good services out there, not many I have to say, who do similar work and have a loyal following. The difference is that they charge for their services. The best one I know of charges more than I can afford to pay (I don't use big stakes, so I couldn't make it pay). There are many thousands of tipsters all happy to take money for their services - in my opinion, there are only a handful who actually have the skill and who put in the time to do the analysis. You are definitely one of them, and it's rare. I do not have the skill or knowledge to do what you do - but I still recognise quality when I see it. So, thank you sincerely once again for sharing your work. I will continue to read your posts for as long as you keep doing it. Should you ever change your mind and decide to setup a private service I would certainly want to know about it.
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Longterm you're not going to win using tipsters,if you do will only be peanuts although most punters go down that road because they like to bet and may lose less or make a small profit the tipsters themselves are just failed punters with maybe a little bit more knowledge.I know a couple of tipsters that work for various racing channels they are reasonable judges but I doubt they make anything like enough punting to make a decent living.It only took me 4/5 years to make enough to pack in betting altogether,the betting really doesn't come into it now too much as health problems that's why I ended up on various forums,i was unlucky as I only started 20 years ago and that's when it was books still weren't taking bets I've had to work ten times harder than the pros I know that cleaned up in the 80s when they were getting the first recordings from tracks on video on the aw it was like taking candy off a baby.They had all the massive draw advantages that have been taken away from most tracks,various bets you can't even do now placepots not going in the pool I caught the backend of those bets and was weekly drawing 5k off hills on the bet to the point where they put the bet up to 10pences even though the tote hadn't been introduced in my shops in local area so less incentive to do the bet as they wouldn't take the stake I would want on,dual forecasts,special tricast races,even though more access to more information and exchanges there maybe a lot of punters that know a little bit more but the same very tiny % of pros that know what you have to do will always be the ones to take advantage..
 
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EC - I understand it's out of frustration but referring to folks you know absolutely nothing about as arrogant ****s is just arrogant in itself.

I'd like apologiseto everyone for that comment..it was totally out of order..and agree with your point about also being arrogant

yes its frustration..but there was no need for it

i take on board the rest of your post as well
 
just to add..sorry to TrudiJ and Pernicious from other thread..i get way too involved sometimes..apologies..no offence meant

there is no real harm in me..I just lose perspective sometimes..its one of my many faults unfortunately
 
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gigilo said:
A speculative ew lucky 15 can't really say i like anything but as these are double figures the just about worth having some coppers on,,minimum stakes if having any singles..

7.15 Wolves

A weakish looking race for the grade usually put a line through trainers horses he's only had 1 winner from last 120 runners so you have to be a bit optimistic to back any of his runners,he doesn't really train any horses of note i'm not sure but this may even one of his best horses at least ratings wise that its achieved.
Horse was actually 2nd off 85 jan 2015 at kempton,gradually came down the weights on turf and won off 70 this season,best run was when splitting red tea and feed the goater at newmarket they are now both rated 83 and could be improving,that run was over 7fs and the run after winning a weak race on the turf over 6fs.The main positve seems to be aw mark,last run was 7th of 11 on the aw november 2015,but that aw mark has been allowed to fall to just 73,last three runs on the aw over this trip has been 3/2/2 off 84,85,85 plus hollie doyle gets to take off another 5 pound down to 68.Those runs in the 80s were a far while ago early 2015 but if could just transfer the run off 69 behind red tea in september then no reason why couldn't run well as potentially still a better aw horse,its just the trainer rarely has winners or places so could only be slightly speculative..

Evening attire 7/1 365 15/2 skybet

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7.45

The second division and another weakish looking race,another speculative pick with 11yr old veteran light from mars tomorrow he gets to run off lifetime low mark of 71,did win off 72 january 2016 was also runner up off 75 in march at kempton.Not really sure wolves is his track and has only won once in last 3 seasons but last time out ran quite well staying on even though only finishing 6th of 14 respectable run for horses rated upto 80.There's probably another race in him maybe have to drop into a race for horses upto 70 but at the prices he's worth a token bet with luke morris back riding off that lifetime low mark..Personal touch is now on lowest matk since 2012 another veteran and with mick Appleby training now off just a mark of 72 running first time in grade could easil;y run well in this weak race..

Light from mars 11/1 365/skybet/hills/victor

9.15

Powerful dream ran ok behind a couple of these last time beaten a couple of lengths by zipedeedoodah he gave the field a 5l start and was only beaten 2ls staying on at finish,ron harris has only given this 3yr old 12 runs so could still be open to improvement especially as that last run was after a break of over 2 months..Lots of runners could figure in wide open looking race..Will also mention billy oakes luke morris comes off [owerful dream and rides billy oakes,the run behind doctor parkes actually gives him the beating of [powerful dream and the last time billy oakes ran over this c/d won off 79 beating lightscameraction,so that booking could be significant maybe worth adding to bets...

Powerful dream 10/1 365/totesport/betfred/skybet/ppower/hills 11/1 betbright

3.45 Lingfield

Loads of pace in this race with come on dave and bertie blu boy and just the lord and calypso choir,princess tansy finished 4th behind just the lord and calypso choir over 5fs at kempton last time out running 5 wide throughtout and staying on well, beaten 2ls.That was her best aw run by some way has big weight pull of 11 pound with calypso choir and 8 pound with just the lord.Negatives could be different track and the jock david egan even though taking off the 7 pound,but based on that kempton run and the way it will be run then maybe worth a small bet.That form did see out of line with all previous aw form and it maybe she will be better at kemptin so one to keep in the notebook...

Princess tansy 8/1 365/betbright/corals/victor/ppower Was hoping some of these would be far bigger so definitely small bets,although they could well drift out to bigger prices yet..

Got 9/1 princess tansy this morning..

That princess tansy race absolute stank,6 natural front runners and 4 of them get held up I have never seen two of those horses not lead nearly every race they've run in yet were held up and the winer gets a sioft lead backed from 12s into 5/2 someone knew that it wasn;'t going to be taken on as backing anything that was going to lead was impossible in theat race.One of the strangest races I've seen in a long while,maybe a 1000 races....
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Stake returned on lucky as well,plus nice place on the last runner pity about that strange race this afternoon with princess tansy in it...
 
Well done gigs.

Well done EC1 , takes a proper bloke to apologise & admit you got it wrong.
Im not sure if a lot of people are in my boat where the majority of the time im on is while at work & im lucky i can even access the site never mind post, not that i know much anyway, i just love the sport, rarely, if ever, bet & only watch on channel 4 , so dont even know whats going on most of the time apart from reading stuff on here.
 
4.0 Chelmsford

Sir maximilian hasn't really run much on the aw a couple of runs over 6fs at Kempton and a win at Dundalk over 5fs,is returning after 5 months so maybe asking a lot to run to best but has run well after a10 month break before when running behind chookie royale at Kempton over a trip to far.Sir Maximillian runs off 109 claimer takes 3 off he is the class horse in the race,don't know if this is just a shot at seeing if he can run as well as on turf,already hacked up this season at chester by 4ls beating maljaa rated 107,was also running on nearest finish in a group 3 at Deauville even though only 6th and last two runs wrre in group1 and 2s behind profitable.The mark of 106 with that claim would not necessarily be beyond him as won off 108 in meydan last February on turf and followed that up with a 4th to fityaan off 112 in another group 3,going off 4/1,if the break and surface aren't against him then he could run well in a weaker although very competitive handicap..
Looks decent trade to me will surely be backed with form in better races and from the 2 draw even if it doesn't show could well go off nearer 6/1-7/1,,

Sir Maximillian 12/1/victor 365 12/1 sportsbook/hills/skybet/ppower

5.0

Have also backed welliesinthewater at 9/1,was busy getting sir maximililian bets on and its been cut to 7/1 was obvious eyecatcher last time out over c/d from the 12 draw,everyman and his dog will be on it as ran wide throughout and beaten 3ls still staying on at finish that was in better class race.Tomorrow has better draw with the claimer taking 3 pound off down to 76,the 7fs might not be its best trip so have only had a very small bet..
 
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Southwell 12.50

Fortinbrass doesn't win very often but does have a very record in this grade over 6fs at swell last 2/1/2/2/5/2/2/1 in those last 8 runs drawn out in the car park tomorrow in 14
but has never gone off bigger than 5/1 actually beat colourbearer on last run here in better class race off 57 tomorrow off 56 last week looked a big advantage to lead so that draw could well e a negative but his placed record there makes him look overpriced ..Sir Geoffrey finished infront of fortinbrass in one race last season,runs off just 51 with natalie hambling taking off 7 should be up with the pace and looks an obvious c/d alternative..

Fotinbrass 10/1 365
 
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12.50 Swell

High command obvious pick in race improving loved the surface won easily here last time out and the track form of recent runners looks poor,might be worth having a speculative bet on freewheeling has been running ok on the turf in better class races not really threatened to win recently but being beat over various trips.Infact its hard to know this horses best trip as run well in races for horses rated upto 85 over 1m2fs but tomorrow steps up in trip,at this point hasn't proved he stays completely although has been runner up at wolves over 1m4fs. has run at swell before over a mile looking oputpaced but that again was a race for horses rated upto 80 so at least shown does act on it,if he does stay on the surface then his price would look very big as first time in this grade since april whe he won off 74,he's worth a token bet at a big price..

Freewheeling 25/1 365/sportsbook/skybet/betway/victor/ppower

Just to add that he's only been going off 25s in class 3s and running well so see no reason won't be nearer 10/1 by the off may even go below so decent trade especially is stable are confident he stays,even if they aren't I doubt he will be bogger than 12/1 in this grade..
 
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Can't see much tomorrow done an ew yankee on some shorter ones might do an ew lucky if I can see some bigger prices later on 4 others..

12.30 Wolves

Kings heart ran on well last time out over tomorrows c/d to be nearest finish 6th beaten 2ls in slightly better grade race,the 3rd and 4th have since franked the form by coming 1st and 2nd, the negative for kings heart seems to be misses the break and that has been big disadvantage at wolves recently.Think race was run to suit last time out so probably again will need another truly run race,so wouldn't be over confiodent,if they go decent pace then has decent place chances..

Kings heart 7/1 sportsbook/skybet/betfred/totesport/hills

5.55 Kempton

A weak looking maiden Al reeh has been disappointing after very nice debut in a very good time at Newmarket,last two runs especially last run disappointing on this track drops back in trip tomorrow and probably worth one more chance,the 2nd fav saluti ran over this c/d last time out.The proximity of the runners in that race suggests form maybe not upto much but the time seemed perfectly respectable any improvement on top of that form would give the fav a race and could be even better.

Al reeh 11/8 365 6/4 sportsbook Saluti 5/2 365/sportsbook

6.55

Star storm was runner up to western hymn over c/d here in respectable time in theory should be easier race but lots of decent form in the race and unexposed runners although they still have to prove themselves on this c/d,star storm again looks to at least have at least place chances..

Star storm 9/2 corals/victor/lads

7.25

Spring loaded has been disappointing last couple of runs on turf,after having a very decent 7th of 28 at ascot behind outback traveller in class 2 for horses rated upto 110 last time spring loaded ran at Kempton won off 95 is 3 pound higher on return here if can transfer that ascot form back here then could still be well in.When he last won here the time was 1m10.48 a decent time, so although he's not much value he still looks potentially a nice all weather horse has already won 7/11,draw maybe a negative as well in 12 but still an interesting runner.
Related could be the one to take advantage was over 3ls behind spring loaded in that decent time at Kempton and has 5 pound turnaround,was also recent 3rd here in same grade as well,from a decent draw if against spring loaded could be the saver..

Spring loaded 5/1 hills 4/1 corals/victor
 
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Also had a more speculative ew lucky 15..

3.40 Wolves

Berlusca hasn't run off this mark since winning last season off it,has loads of form in races for horses rated upto 85 over this c/d there are plenty of others inhere that are well handicapped franco's secret,starlit cantanta and the fav looks progressive won in decent time here last time out,but berluscas slight drop in class gives decent place chance..

Berlusca 7/1 corals

4.10

Noble asset has been running wel enough to figure in this weaker race was actually more impressed by cruise tothelimit in the race they ran in together last time,looks a future winner but at the prices go with noble asset with first time run in this grade..Also lady nayef is tumbling down the weights,has switched from ryan to butler was rated 78 in October 2015 when running 4th in a very quick time behind point of woods and 100 rated sign of zodiac.Looks to have regressed slightly but now on a realistic mark was 4th to verne castle at Chelmsford off 68 in September better race than this,although was beaten 4ls is now off just 65 and tomorrow claimer takes off 7 pound to 58 so starts to become more interesting with c/d form.

Noble asset 8/1 365 15/2 hills Lady neyef vicvtor/ppower/sportsbook/365 14/1

6.25 Kempton


A speculative one in tagula night veteran now at 10 and on lowest ever mark hasn't shown a great deal in recent times although not beateb far when 7th of 10 in this grade a length and a quarter behind for ayman 4 pound pull ,probably the fact that Robert wionston doesn't ride his regulatr jock for years and rides be royale highlights his chances but at least has track and c/d form,this race really doesn't look a lot better than the race he ran in that night wouldn't be total surprise iof hit the frame as they don't look a reliabl;e bunch,although will probably need some of these to run below their recent form..

Tagula night 16/1 365/victor/ppower/betway 14s general

7.55

A terrible race full of rogues nothing really to go on,mowhoob ran ok last time out in a race for horses rated upto 65 finishing 5th just behind garter rated 60,garter won Saturday off that mark of 60 and this race is only for hortses rated 50 and below.Whether he can repeat that form is big question as had 45 races only won 2 the slightly more positive angle maybe that has finished 3rd and 5th here on two of his first ever runs back in 2012.There is a possibility mowhoob could get heavily backed on that formline in such a poor race,as mentioned to reproduce the run is not guaranteed but still could be nive trade..

Mowhoob 9/1 totesport/betfred/...
 
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gigilo said:
Can't see much tomorrow done an ew yankee on some shorter ones might do an ew lucky if I can see some bigger prices later on 4 others..

12.30 Wolves

Kings heart ran on well last time out over tomorrows c/d to be nearest finish 6th beaten 2ls in slightly better grade race,the 3rd and 4th have since franked the form by coming 1st and 2nd, the negative for kings heart seems to be misses the break and that has been big disadvantage at wolves recently.Think race was run to suit last time out so probably again will need another truly run race,so wouldn't be over confiodent,if they go decent pace then has decent place chances..

Kings heart 7/1 sportsbook/skybet/betfred/totesport/hills

5.55 Kempton

A weak looking maiden Al reeh has been disappointing after very nice debut in a very good time at Newmarket,last two runs especially last run disappointing on this track drops back in trip tomorrow and probably worth one more chance,the 2nd fav saluti ran over this c/d last time out.The proximity of the runners in that race suggests form maybe not upto much but the time seemed perfectly respectable any improvement on top of that form would give the fav a race and could be even better.

Al reeh 11/8 365 6/4 sportsbook Saluti 5/2 365/sportsbook

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6.55

Star storm was runner up to western hymn over c/d here in respectable time in theory should be easier race but lots of decent form in the race and unexposed runners although they still have to prove themselves on this c/d,star storm again looks to at least have at least place chances..

Star storm 9/2 corals/victor/lads

7.25

Spring loaded has been disappointing last couple of runs on turf,after having a very decent 7th of 28 at ascot behind outback traveller in class 2 for horses rated upto 110 last time spring loaded ran at Kempton won off 95 is 3 pound higher on return here if can transfer that ascot form back here then could still be well in.When he last won here the time was 1m10.48 a decent time, so although he's not much value he still looks potentially a nice all weather horse has already won 7/11,draw maybe a negative as well in 12 but still an interesting runner.
Related could be the one to take advantage was over 3ls behind spring loaded in that decent time at Kempton and has 5 pound turnaround,was also recent 3rd here in same grade as well,from a decent draw if against spring loaded could be the saver..

Spring loaded 5/1 hills 4/1 corals/victor
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Just as well there was one decent race to have a bet on today,although a couple of the others were a bit unlucky due to pace of the races,just a token bet tomorrow and wait for better cards on Friday/Saturday.

5.55 Chelmsford

I put Giovanni batista on here for next season and then put the runner up leshaa on here next time out at Kempton,,astute boy was in that maiden at Newmarket was beaten a long way 10ls but ran green coming into the dip not given a hard race.The time of the maiden was 2 seconds quicker than the other run on the same day and .70 quicker than the two maidens run there the following day,both winners had previous experience in those maidens,so astute boy would've been roughly 6ls behind both those winners on his debut.
Can't really see any decent form in tomorrows race so will habe a tokebn bet on astute boy,not really possible to weigh up beaten so far but any sort of improvement on that run the may figure in a weak looking race.The betting will probably be informative as most of the form on offer is poor..Out of arcano a sire that has an 18.6% strike rate at this track will be interesting to see if he shows any improvement on surface that should suit,trainer also has 16% stroike rate on the aw.Would imagine iof stable expect improvement then would be backled,any drift in a race as poor as this will probably tell the story..

Astute boy 14/1 ppower/sportsbook/victor

Somehow have managed to back three steve drowne rides since yesterday,interesting ride giving 10ls then out wide finishing under hands n heels,knew the race was garbage but could be one for nurseries after that run,at lesst there was money for it and trading opportunity..
 
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5.45 wolves

Ormran when I first looked at this race thought was probably at least an 85 horse so worth an ew bet,time of maiden debut was only slightly slower than nursery big field winner on same card with improvement to come and had carroed 5 pound more than that nursery winner then fair to think could be an 85 horse minimum.
Probably worth a small bet as after checking sire stats have seen that on tapeta sire has only had 2 wonners from 39 runners so bit off putting but if that form is translated to surface then something will have to run nearer 90..

Ormran 3/1 365/victor..

ew lucky 15

7.15

A few in here that are on comeback trail with new trainers that had looked oprogressively previously plus the fav keystroke the obvious looking picjk in the race after winning the licoln trial over c/d last season on only fourth ever run,then showed nothing on turf and last time out was back on the aw when 4th in better grade behind my target.Has only had the eight runs and looks the only runner open to improvement so likeliest winner in this grade.God willing has been with Declan carroll this season hasn't been as good as when with ed Dunlop but has still won off 88 this season and 2nd tio el vip at liecester off 92,had previous decent aw dform with ed Dunlop as when 3rd to big baz at lingfield off 97 although that was November 2014 and followed that up with a second to lacan at Chelmsford.He runs off 92 tomorrow with claimer taking off 5 pound if could transfer the liecester run off 5 pound lower mark then has an ew chance..

God willing 14/1 victor/lads/corals//365/skybet 16/1 corals/sportingbet

8.15

Airton looks like one of three or four that have a chance the 2nd to ajman prince looks reasonable form after that one winning again and the third high command,looks likely to be playing for a place minimum..

Airton 9/2 365

8.45

An absolutely terrible race but victoriously has run well 4 rraces back to back sio again another that looks to be playing for at leadt decent place chance,one at a bigger price cahar fad has loads of form here finished behind victoriously here penultimate run but was hampered and has a little turn around in the weights.Also ran a decent 3rd to gold return last time out in a fairly decent time although these are unreliable in this grade on that last run the price is decent if reproduced..Looks decent trade to me can't see how its going to be 7-1 8/1 tops..

Victoriously 6/1 victor/totesport/betfred 7/1 sportsbook Cahar fad 12/1 ppower/sportsbook/365/betstars/netbet/10bet..14/1 hills

Unfortunately the cards are garbage at the moment,havn't seen any decent bets in awhile in terms of being well overpriced hopefully will pick up soon,i can't bet at Newcastle just seems totally impossible to use the form there just guessing so just need swell but they have less meetings lingfield and Kempton.Not a huge fan of Chelmsford either esopecially as times there are so changeable during the winter months,best just too keep stakes small till some decent ricks to platy around with..

Sums up racing at the moment ormana the only thing that looked half decent non runner smashed into 6/4 and airton as well,think it will be some time off for me as newcastles on Monday and Tuesday and I have hospital appointments.Think I might have to revert to placepots for awhile till these cards improve..
 
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Wolverhampton (AW) Result
25 Nov 2016
« 7:15 » BETWAY MIDDLE DISTANCE HANDICAP
(Class 5) (0-75, 3yo+) (1m1f103y) 1m1½f Standard
£2,911.05, £866.25, £432.90, £216.45
RESULTRATE RACE
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HORSE/SP AGE WGT TRAINER/JOCKEY OR TS RPR

« 1 5 Sunglider (IRE) 5/1 3 9-4 v David O'Meara 75 * *
Daniel Tudhope


« 2 3 nk Pivotman 5/1 8 9-4 tb Michael Easterby 72 * *
Graham Gibbons


« 3 10 ¾ Oregon Gift 15/2 4 8-9 Brian Ellison 63 * *
Joey Haynes


« 4 1 ½ The Third Man 9/1 5 8-13 v1 Henry Spiller 70 * *
Louis Steward3


« 5 8 2 Tan Arabiq 9/2F 3 8-9 Michael Appleby 66 * *
Andrew Mullen


« 6 7 2¾ Beautiful Stranger (IRE) 25/1 5 9-1 p Keith Dalgleish 69 * *
Tony Hamilton


« 7 4 2¼ Manolito 5/1 4 8-13 t Hughie Morrison 72 * *
Charlie Bennett5


« 8 6 2¾ Sark (IRE) 8/1 3 9-2 t David Evans 73 * *
Robert Winston


« 9 9 9 Hungerford 10/1 4 9-3 b1 Eve Johnson Houghton 71 * *
John Fahy


« 10 2 19 Chilworth Bells 66/1 4 8-13 p Conor Dore 67 * *
Josephine Gordon


10 ran TIME 1m 58.48s (slow by 1.98s)

The third man

The third man was unlucky in this race hacking up in behind but couldn't get a run,has become unreliable in recent times especially in races he looked well in could get yet another drop in weights and that would be lowest ever mark,tonight he had fiorst time visor on so that m,ay have made a difference.He can now drop into a lower grade race as well and might get ignored in the market next time out,wth that headgear on might be worth chancing next time out,especially over this c/d has won off 73 previously as well over this c/d...
 
gigilo said:
5.45 wolves

Ormran when I first looked at this race thought was probably at least an 85 horse so worth an ew bet,time of maiden debut was only slightly slower than nursery big field winner on same card with improvement to come and had carroed 5 pound more than that nursery winner then fair to think could be an 85 horse minimum.
Probably worth a small bet as after checking sire stats have seen that on tapeta sire has only had 2 wonners from 39 runners so bit off putting but if that form is translated to surface then something will have to run nearer 90..

Ormran 3/1 365/victor..

ew lucky 15

7.15

A few in here that are on comeback trail with new trainers that had looked oprogressively previously plus the fav keystroke the obvious looking picjk in the race after winning the licoln trial over c/d last season on only fourth ever run,then showed nothing on turf and last time out was back on the aw when 4th in better grade behind my target.Has only had the eight runs and looks the only runner open to improvement so likeliest winner in this grade.God willing has been with Declan carroll this season hasn't been as good as when with ed Dunlop but has still won off 88 this season and 2nd tio el vip at liecester off 92,had previous decent aw dform with ed Dunlop as when 3rd to big baz at lingfield off 97 although that was November 2014 and followed that up with a second to lacan at Chelmsford.He runs off 92 tomorrow with claimer taking off 5 pound if could transfer the liecester run off 5 pound lower mark then has an ew chance..

God willing 14/1 victor/lads/corals//365/skybet 16/1 corals/sportingbet

8.15

Airton looks like one of three or four that have a chance the 2nd to ajman prince looks reasonable form after that one winning again and the third high command,looks likely to be playing for a place minimum..

Airton 9/2 365

8.45

An absolutely terrible race but victoriously has run well 4 rraces back to back sio again another that looks to be playing for at leadt decent place chance,one at a bigger price cahar fad has loads of form here finished behind victoriously here penultimate run but was hampered and has a little turn around in the weights.Also ran a decent 3rd to gold return last time out in a fairly decent time although these are unreliable in this grade on that last run the price is decent if reproduced..Looks decent trade to me can't see how its going to be 7-1 8/1 tops..

Victoriously 6/1 victor/totesport/betfred 7/1 sportsbook Cahar fad 12/1 ppower/sportsbook/365/betstars/netbet/10bet..14/1 hills

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Unfortunately the cards are garbage at the moment,havn't seen any decent bets in awhile in terms of being well overpriced hopefully will pick up soon,i can't bet at Newcastle just seems totally impossible to use the form there just guessing so just need swell but they have less meetings lingfield and Kempton.Not a huge fan of Chelmsford either esopecially as times there are so changeable during the winter months,best just too keep stakes small till some decent ricks to platy around with..

Sums up racing at the moment ormana the only thing that looked half decent non runner smashed into 6/4 and airton as well,think it will be some time off for me as newcastles on Monday and Tuesday and I have hospital appointments.Think I might have to revert to placepots for awhile till these cards improve..
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Some bad luck this week was getting a bit tedious just need some decent cards ironically one of the worst races where the times worked out perfect,nice to end week on winning note after some close ones earlier in the week!!;)Think that ormran would've sluiced up in that maiden as well had it run,time was desperate considering the track was fastest ites ever been,not sure but think keystrokes race was a track record I can't remember seeing a quicker time...
 
Did say I was going to avoid Newcastle and although I won't be betting there much I will have the odd token bet as long as double figures or previous form o debut,times aren't really working out there hard to explain and speed of tracvk changes plus the draw itself is impossible to predict so just a small interest for me.

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Ambitious Icarus has turned himself into a bit of a rogue especially as not winning since august 2015 off 78 has regressed coming don to just a mark of 62,he catches the eye on numerous occasions but to disappoint on next run.It's a similar story again making debut over 6fs here,actually travelled well on the surface whicvh in itself was a positive on far side iof runners but got bumped and shuffled back through field,had no chance then but still ran on to be 4th.,time of the race was interesting .94 quicker than the second div won by caeser the geezer which had poppy wind a further 2ls behind,ambitious Icarus would've won that race by 4ls so he does bevome interesting as that was first run at the track.Drops back in trip tomorrow to 5fs will obviously need the breaks and although you couldn't be over confident on the way he's run this season just purely based on that run if ran exactly the sae then would have at least place chances..Usually gets heavily bet in thse races and could turn into a bit of a gamble after last eyecatching run..

Ambitious carus 10/1 skybet/sportsbook 9/1 ppower/...

Into 8/1 already still think there's something in that price as looks decent trade and msybe nearer 11/2 tomorrow,maybe shorter..



8/1 victor/ppower/sportsbook/ 15/2 365/corals

My original pick was poopy in the wind in this race,its run behind coto looked good over 5fs over c/d as that won ahain off 70 nto and the 3rd rose marmura is now rated 77 although as I said above looks to have to find 6ls with ambitious Icarus,although does drop the furlong I wouldn't be using these times as gospel as mentioned they havn't been working out so poppy in the wind 12/1 may run well.Similarly I was impressed by the way cruis tothelimit travelled and finished penultimate run at wolves in better grade,could also be overpruiced at 16s even though disappointed last time out,my confidence in the track won't be anything like till these times start working out..
 
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Did say I was going to avoid Newcastle and although I won't be betting there much I will have the odd token bet as long as double figures or previous form o debut,times aren't really working out there hard to explain and speed of tracvk changes plus the draw itself is impossible to predict so just a small interest for me.

4.50

Ambitious Icarus has turned himself into a bit of a rogue especially as not winning since august 2015 off 78 has regressed coming don to just a mark of 62,he catches the eye on numerous occasions but to disappoint on next run.It's a similar story again making debut over 6fs here,actually travelled well on the surface whicvh in itself was a positive on far side iof runners but got bumped and shuffled back through field,had no chance then but still ran on to be 4th.,time of the race was interesting .94 quicker than the second div won by caeser the geezer which had poppy wind a further 2ls behind,ambitious Icarus would've won that race by 4ls so he does bevome interesting as that was first run at the track.Drops back in trip tomorrow to 5fs will obviously need the breaks and although you couldn't be over confident on the way he's run this season just purely based on that run if ran exactly the sae then would have at least place chances..Usually gets heavily bet in thse races and could turn into a bit of a gamble after last eyecatching run..

Ambitious carus 10/1 skybet/sportsbook 9/1 ppower/...

Into 8/1 already still think there's something in that price as looks decent trade and msybe nearer 11/2 tomorrow,maybe shorter..



8/1 victor/ppower/sportsbook/ 15/2 365/corals

My original pick was poopy in the wind in this race,its run behind coto looked good over 5fs over c/d as that won ahain off 70 nto and the 3rd rose marmura is now rated 77 although as I said above looks to have to find 6ls with ambitious Icarus,although does drop the furlong I wouldn't be using these times as gospel as mentioned they havn't been working out so poppy in the wind 12/1 may run well.Similarly I was impressed :lol::cool:by the way cruis tothelimit travelled and finished penultimate run at wolves in better grade,could also be overpruiced at 16s even though disappointed last time out,my confidence in the track won't be anything like till these times start working out..
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My original pick was poopy in the wind in this race,its run behind coto looked good over 5fs over c/d as that won ahain off 70 nto and the 3rd rose marmura is now rated 77 although as I said above looks to have to find 6ls with ambitious Icarus,although does drop the furlong I wouldn't be using these times as gospel as mentioned they havn't been working out so poppy in the wind 12/1 may run well.Similarly I was impressed by the way cruis tothelimit travelled and finished penultimate run at wolves in better grade,could also be overpruiced at 16s even though disappointed last time out,my confidence in the track won't be anything like till these times start working out

Not many expected that after the NR! Well done Andy, not a bean here i'm afraid!:mad:
 
Had already backed the three anyway justy got the bonus of the forecast,about time been waiting ages for a proper aw touch I told slim ladt night couldn't back more than 3 in the race...probably had the triocast iof the other had run!!!:lol::lol:£100.88 10x that'll do for a Monday even drifted on betfair to almost 9s as well the winner like the old days!!!
 
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