Daily picks.

[swedish chef]

thirsk 5.30


questo 7/1 365/skybet/betway


questos going to win a race at some point even if if it's not this cavalary charge,was 3rd over c/d on reapperence in a decent race over c/d when 3rd to ancient astronaut in a 0-75 then came back here in another decent race behind meshardal 5th of 11 went off 7/2 fav in that race surprisingly then 5th last time out behind a progressive 3yr old at carlisle.the third exotic guest came out of that race and won last night,questos dropped 3 pound since first run of the season and slight drop in grade,at one time the 16 draw would've looked a big advantage now the draw seems to be all over the place even on fast ground.overly competiyve race but questo overall for has been quite consiatent..
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[gigilo]

Bequia very well backed never handled the track but wehther i'd want to back it again aa it was a very poor race as the result showed..

A couple of very small ew lucky 15s and some small singles.

Bath 8.30

Sublime 8/1 365/power/totesport/betfred/lads/corals/victor 9/1 sportsbook/betway Born to please 25/1 ppower/sportsbook/betway

Two horses dominating the market the channon and Johnston horses,they will probably have to be the worst horses in the stable not to figure in this race really hoping that at least one of them will show nothing as of yet they havn't showm much but both take big steps up in trip.
Sublime and born to please are rated 46 and 47 so can see the level of the race,they both contested a 0-65 over c/d on fast ground when they finished 2nd and 4th in the same race,sublime was second to bayston hill rated 65 and finished 2ls infront of born to reason both runners were prominent in that race going off quite quick,bor to reason has a 4 pound turnarounfd for the 2ls with sublime.The front two in market maybe different class but if they aren't then these two look to have some sort of chance on track and ground that suits,sublime gets the cheekpiecesw back on after disappointing without them last time out and born to reason back to the only decent run over this c/d,,



Kempton 6.10


Dream farr 10/1 365/skybet/betfred/totesport/lads/corals/victor/betway

Dream farr is back on last winning mark of 74 over this c/s hasn't had a lot of luck last few runs,last win here was run in a respectable time
think there's another race in him,problem with tomorrows race its like last run over the 7fs at the track.Is drawn in 11 and jenny powell rides,can't see a lot of pace in the race either so quite a few negatives,perhaps place is the best she can hope for but double figures is too bug a price even if you're just having it in a multiple.Hackney road and varsovian are the obvious alternatives..



7.40

Zubayar 4/ ppower/sportsbookbook

Massive hike in class into a vey good race for zubayr 140 rated hurdler,won on aw debut in a maiden carrying a big weight of 9-9 the time of that maiden was respectable considering won quite easily,the 7th distant has cime out of the race amd won recently.Tomorrow runs off 83 zubayr
and carrys 18 pound less in weight than that win,i think this mark of 83 on the aw looks very well handicapped just based on the time just ashame has been entered against gibbs hill that has been competing against 100+ horses.I would definitely put a line through this race if not showing and looks to have a future on the aw in slightly weaker races at least for the time being,will be interesting to see if can give fav a decent race..





Thirsk 5.30


Questo 7/1 365/skybet/betway


Questos going to win a race at some point even if if it's not this cavalary charge,was 3rd over c/d on reapperence in a decent race over c/d when 3rd to ancient astronaut in a 0-75 then came back here in another decent race behind meshardal 5th of 11 went off 7/2 fav in that race surprisingly then 5th last time out behind a progressive 3yr old at Carlisle.The third exotic guest came out of that race and won last night,questos dropped 3 pound since first run of the season and slight drop in grade,at one time the 16 draw would've looked a big advantage now the draw seems to be all over the place even on fast ground.Overly competiyve race but questo overall for has been quite consiatent..

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Wasn't suppose to be any rain foe today but 6mm and still raining at thirsk that means the draw may even favour the lower draws now so wouldn't discout bold bold sprot from the 5 draw lowest mark since 2015 similar to questo been running in some better races but wioth tv back on now its rained then looks big danger on farised think it's around 6/1 with sjames..

 

[gigilo]

Was that really a handicap?!

If you look at it's last 3 runs has been very unlucky two of those runs were different class to that lot,just a matter of the conundrum on the draw with the ground,was only a matter of time been running so well..

 

[gigilo]

Bequia very well backed never handled the track but wehther i'd want to back it again aa it was a very poor race as the result showed..

A couple of very small ew lucky 15s and some small singles.

Bath 8.30

Sublime 8/1 365/power/totesport/betfred/lads/corals/victor 9/1 sportsbook/betway Born to please 25/1 ppower/sportsbook/betway

Two horses dominating the market the channon and Johnston horses,they will probably have to be the worst horses in the stable not to figure in this race really hoping that at least one of them will show nothing as of yet they havn't showm much but both take big steps up in trip.
Sublime and born to please are rated 46 and 47 so can see the level of the race,they both contested a 0-65 over c/d on fast ground when they finished 2nd and 4th in the same race,sublime was second to bayston hill rated 65 and finished 2ls infront of born to reason both runners were prominent in that race going off quite quick,bor to reason has a 4 pound turnarounfd for the 2ls with sublime.The front two in market maybe different class but if they aren't then these two look to have some sort of chance on track and ground that suits,sublime gets the cheekpiecesw back on after disappointing without them last time out and born to reason back to the only decent run over this c/d,,



Kempton 6.10


Dream farr 10/1 365/skybet/betfred/totesport/lads/corals/victor/betway

Dream farr is back on last winning mark of 74 over this c/s hasn't had a lot of luck last few runs,last win here was run in a respectable time
think there's another race in him,problem with tomorrows race its like last run over the 7fs at the track.Is drawn in 11 and jenny powell rides,can't see a lot of pace in the race either so quite a few negatives,perhaps place is the best she can hope for but double figures is too bug a price even if you're just having it in a multiple.Hackney road and varsovian are the obvious alternatives..



7.40

Zubayar 4/ ppower/sportsbookbook

Massive hike in class into a vey good race for zubayr 140 rated hurdler,won on aw debut in a maiden carrying a big weight of 9-9 the time of that maiden was respectable considering won quite easily,the 7th distant has cime out of the race amd won recently.Tomorrow runs off 83 zubayr
and carrys 18 pound less in weight than that win,i think this mark of 83 on the aw looks very well handicapped just based on the time just ashame has been entered against gibbs hill that has been competing against 100+ horses.I would definitely put a line through this race if not showing and looks to have a future on the aw in slightly weaker races at least for the time being,will be interesting to see if can give fav a decent race..





Thirsk 5.30


Questo 7/1 365/skybet/betway


Questos going to win a race at some point even if if it's not this cavalary charge,was 3rd over c/d on reapperence in a decent race over c/d when 3rd to ancient astronaut in a 0-75 then came back here in another decent race behind meshardal 5th of 11 went off 7/2 fav in that race surprisingly then 5th last time out behind a progressive 3yr old at Carlisle.The third exotic guest came out of that race and won last night,questos dropped 3 pound since first run of the season and slight drop in grade,at one time the 16 draw would've looked a big advantage now the draw seems to be all over the place even on fast ground.Overly competiyve race but questo overall for has been quite consiatent..


Wasn't suppose to be any rain foe today but 6mm and still raining at thirsk that means the draw may even favour the lower draws now so wouldn't discout bold bold sprot from the 5 draw lowest mark since 2015 similar to questo been running in some better races but wioth tv back on now its rained then looks big danger on farised think it's around 6/1 with sjames..

Close again to a decent touch,born to reason given the complete opposite ride to last run there held up,think it would've been placed at least with proper jock,couldv'e permed some of the other horses I mentioned like gibbs hill went to 2/1 insane price dream farr draw beat it ran a cracker,but still a very good day 7/1 winner and 3 places and the 25/1 shot went off 7.4 3/4 of a wheelbarrow today

The two lucky 15s returned £54.25 and £186.55 for £1ew luckys RELENTLESS!!

 

[2017diary]

Close again to a decent touch,born to reason given the complete opposite ride to last run there held up,think it would've been placed at least with proper jock,couldv'e permed some of the other horses I mentioned like gibbs hill went to 2/1 insane price dream farr draw beat it ran a cracker,but still a very good day 7/1 winner and 3 places and the 25/1 shot went off 7.4

The two lucky 15s returned £54.25 and £186.55 for £1ew luckys RELENTLESS!!

WD, one day soon...............

 

[gigilo]

WD, one day soon...............

Had a 2000/1 treble last month in one of the multis I put up and a 600/1 double at ascot on the Wednesday probably won't get anything better than that this season,the angle on most of these bets are the place bits,there were a few negatives like draw for dream farr and the jock on born to reason was a joke,all it does is stay and she held it up but that's what you factor in the prices..Chances of having 5 winners I one bet are remote unless you're perming several if not handfuls,i used to do maybe 16 ew luckys but I can't even get the bets on anymore never mind trying to get these amount of bets on..so chances of hitting jackpot are unlikely..

 

[gigilo]

Typical saturdaty cards,zilch value as being as I spent over 24 hours on the 6 carsds will just have a small ew lucky 15 and some small singles most of my picks look to have bad draws so I couldn't be confident of anything,have lots of other things marked off but look likely to be heading markets and no value whatsoever.

Sandown 1.20

Mazyoun 7/1 corals/365/totesport/hills 15/2 lads

As mentioned bad draw 10/10 but does have some very good form arguably the best piece of known form in the race hasn't won since octobner 2016 suppose looks exposed compared to some of these but all respectable runs 4th to culliongworth at musselburugh off 80 a drop to 6fs when
5th og 9 beaten 2 3/4ls for horses rated upto a 100.Last time out was probably best ever run when 5th of 18 to viscount barfield staying on 5th of 18 at York in a very good race. Probably something better in here but doubt thius will go off 7/1 15/2 more likely to be 9/2,so decent trade probably and has an ew chance even though poor draw..


2.25

Gm Hopkins 12/1 ppower/sportsbook/betstars Master the world 20/1 hills/victor/winner..

GM Hopkins has come the weights slightly exposed to any improvers but has run ok the last twice running on well in the hunt cup when 7th of 29
the problem has become rearing at beginning of the races and loing from the break,anything like that at sandown will have very little chance of winning.Was rated 114 last season,is rated 104 now coming diw n to 104, 1 pound above his last handicap win at goodwood in 2015 could easily run well if not missing the break..
Master the world was also in the hunt cup,finished just behind GM Hopkins and although wasn't as eyecatching he had to come from the 8 draw,was big advantage to be stands side only horse to be drawn in single figures in first 9 and that was off 105,tomorrow off 103 and with claim of 5 lowest mark since September 2015.Again another poor draw in 12 so a lot to aak but at least looks in decent form and decent mark was 2nd at goodwood last season in a big handicap off 104 so has some sort of chance of hitting the frame but will need some luck,has only ever won three races and the last was 2 seasons ago..

Leicester 3.05


Charles Molson


3.40

Prosecution 3/1 365..

Prosecutions penultimate run at liecester was in a slightly better race staying on 4th the ground was on the slow side,then ran at Windsor think he took a steop backwards there regardless of the write ups in paoers and sites saying it was improvement the race was slowly run and he was in perfect position so has a little to prove after that run although that may not be reflected in prices as looks like gettingoverbet.Also gosden,morrision,palmer etc lots of trainers with horses starting in handicaps,have given him a chance as maybe coming back to liecester will suit
and again has obvious place chances..


Couple of places 12/1 and 3/1 backed ew plus the 4th and to place on betfair,level on the day about all it was worth..pity the first one hadn't got 3rd giving them 10ls start didn't help doyle doing the same thing on gm Hopkins out the back needed a miracle...

 

[SlimChance]

Anything marked off for the rest of Sandown or Nottingham?

 

[SlimChance]

The state of the ride on Mazyoun there.

 

[DanB88]

The state of the ride on Mazyoun there.

Goodwood written all over it Slim.

 

[gigilo]

There was always a fair chance the draw would beat the runners as I said,dire days racing if you did two ew lucky 15s would've returned £44.50 for £60 stake so not to bad considering that 4th in first leg would've made a decent profit on the bets..

 

[gigilo]

Going to have a couple of ew lucky 15s at ayr,don't know whats going on with ground appears to be very soft but forecast as good small stakes again as not sure of going on the straight track..

Ayr 2.45

Duke of cosimo 12/1 365/ppower 11/1 betway Tommy g 12/1 power/sportsbook 20/1 lads/skybet/victor

Duke of cosimo was bit of an eyecatcher last time out at Donny out the vback making up ground to finish on the heels of the first four just behind dark defender in tomorrows race,on fairly soft ground.Last won off 77 june 2016 now off 75 has never won on ground worse than soft but has run 4th here as well in silver cup on soft ground as well as the last run.Lots of others like tatislu and the fav musicka could be well handicapped Kenny the king is thrown in on last years form so lots of runners that potentially run well,tommy g hasn't appeared to have any form on soft ground but last time out ran on very slow ground here when the going was given as good was gd/sft at best 4th of 7 to coolfitch over an inadequate 5fs for horses rated upto 95.He has only won one from 12 runs but obviously has more ability than current rating of 76 and claimer takes off another 7 tomorrow..An impossible looking handicap but at double figures then a couple of speculative ones

3.15

Braes of lochlash 5/1 365

Braes of lochlash not looking poorly handicapped but finding it hard to win,has already had five hard races this season the visor has been put on for last two runs and ran second to injam at Donny for horses rated upto 85 sean mooney takes off 7 pound so no reason why shouldn't run well on track where it rarely runs a bad race.Guitar pete is the obvious alternative rated just 58 on turf as opposed to 137 over hordles could be chucked in..

4.25 Rural celebration 8/1 ppower Jack dexter 7/1 365 15/2 sportsbook El hombre 4/1 betway 7/2 generally

Another impossible looking handicap

Rural celebration ran well over this c/d last time out in a llisted race,think the ground being on the slow side may have been the reason for improved form also the time from that listed race was a lot quicker than tomorrows fav le hombre was second in although at the weight I have them virtually dead heating.I've added in el hombre now as well as never noticed they ran on the same day previously and jack dexter although looking at the last result which I've just checked on the straight track the times are nothing as slow as expected the grade 6 today faster than this class of race when rural celebration and el hombre ran here I was hoping the ground would've been similar but might only be good/gd/sft now...
Very small stakes now as straight track looks quicker than expected,hopefully will be a little more rain as jack dexter showed his first bit of form in a long time last time out,when 4th at Newcastle off 88 mooney takes off that 7 pound again to 81..Really could do with ground being aodfter as these three can't get it soft enough,if it drys out the race becomes far more open..

5.30 25/1 365/victor Charava 20/1 skybet/hills/lads/corals/ ppower/sportsbook Yes you 9/2 365

Still plenty of juice on the round course and hopefully will stay that way as not much soft ground form in the race yes you the 3yr old last run was encouraging but how strong that race was at Donny,but was only 5th ever run after long break since 2016 and local trainer in form.Charava hanfdles the ground gets first time headgear and runs off 60 lowest mark since august 2015,has shown nothing in recent runs but the last two runs on ground with soft in it has won hwere off 59 and been second off 65 in back to back runs this time last year in 8 days..


Looks like ayrs avoiding all the rain very annoying as loads have shortened up but looks like the ground maybe a little to quick for them,looked a great angle after seeing the times of the early races, the later races suggested not as slow as I thought was hoping the ground would be a lot slower especially for horses like charava needed definte cut..Think will be having a couple of days off as weather looks so unreliable everywhere this week,hopefully the weather levels out by Friday and Saturday..

Some laughable drifts on these today,duke of cosimo goes off 20/1 on betfair yet was just behind winner under hands n' heels last time out,,will be keeping that for the notebook,couldn't possiblt be going off that price,don't think I've ever had so many drifters in one day ominous to say the least..

 

[gigilo]

Dire today but was obvious from markets horses like duko of cosimo going off 20/1 after its last run,just stunk as did the mooney rides braes of lochlash was really taking the ****,be a long time before I get 3/4 horses blatently not trying on the day..should've known better with him riding anywau so only myself to blame.


Wolves 3.25

Arize 20/1 ppower/sportsbook..14/1 betfred/totesport/skybet.

A speculative one based on last 4 runs for jim boyle has had him sinjce april shown nothing,strangely been running over 6fs so getting outpaced and not really allowed to show its best when with david brown had a 7f c/d record of 3/3/5/1/1/4/1/2 would've been a clear favourite for a race like this.
Last time ran at wolves over 7fs was 2nd off 68 tomorrow off lowest ever mark of 58 and has never run in this grade before,the draw may put them off going for it tomorrow as out in 9 and favourite is almost guaranteed to lead but at these prices then at least worth seeing,it wouldn't have to be at its best to win this as a very poor race.If it's trying and they have it right then would be an obvious gamble and could go off any price,certainly wouldn't expect to see any double figure prices anyway,wprth watching closely and for the notebook especially if just dropped out..
One thing that catches the eye is pat cosgrove rides,has only rode it once that was in September when it won off 63.

16/1 victor

Very strange ride was up with pace with 3 furlings to go and pulled it up,made a few quid on the race as it was down to 7/1 at one point laid off a fewquid,as I said it wouldn't be double figures although drifted back out again,no doubt there will be some excuse in tomorrows post.This won't win till it gets a decent draw and uncontested lead..

 

[gigilo]

Bath 6.40

Union rose 14/1 365...


14/1 betway 11/1 corals/victor

Union rose has become thorioughly unreliable especially after running 5th in a hot handicap in may at York behind duke of Firenze,very disappointing in this garde last time out at haydock when beaten 6ls,there appears to be loads of rain around so might soften the ground up at barth if that were to happen then would look more interesting as has some decent form on softer ground and although some of these go on softer ground I could see union roses prices collapsing.The twon favs heading the market so far have shown their best on dgd/fm not to saty they won't go on it but when they have run on it as yet not as good,if the ground doesn't soften up then fethiye boy looks the obvious pick massive improver last time out winning a race for horses rated upto 95 that's the best recent and improving pievce of form.If the rains do come then union rose could turn into a decent trade some of these may not even run and he could well go off 6-7/1 tops..betting ill be interesting regards these two as are stable mates and fethiye boy is 4/1 if ground doesn't turn can see the latter going off a fair bit shorter if no rain..

10/1 totesport/betfred


Another change in forecast weather now,been checking it gone from 20mm now to just over 8mm which if right won't even touch the turf on that ground unless there's a lot more the angle will be gone on the bet,every single meeting has been useless for betting pre race this week on forecast weather.What a frustrating week.

 

[310884MONTYS]

Superb !! Never in doubt and cheers for sharing

 

[swedish chef]

Bath 6.40

Union rose 14/1 365...


14/1 betway 11/1 corals/victor

Union rose has become thorioughly unreliable especially after running 5th in a hot handicap in may at York behind duke of Firenze,very disappointing in this garde last time out at haydock when beaten 6ls,there appears to be loads of rain around so might soften the ground up at barth if that were to happen then would look more interesting as has some decent form on softer ground and although some of these go on softer ground I could see union roses prices collapsing.The twon favs heading the market so far have shown their best on dgd/fm not to saty they won't go on it but when they have run on it as yet not as good,if the ground doesn't soften up then fethiye boy looks the obvious pick massive improver last time out winning a race for horses rated upto 95 that's the best recent and improving pievce of form.If the rains do come then union rose could turn into a decent trade some of these may not even run and he could well go off 6-7/1 tops..betting ill be interesting regards these two as are stable mates and fethiye boy is 4/1 if ground doesn't turn can see the latter going off a fair bit shorter if no rain..

10/1 totesport/betfred


Another change in forecast weather now,been checking it gone from 20mm now to just over 8mm which if right won't even touch the turf on that ground unless there's a lot more the angle will be gone on the bet,every single meeting has been useless for betting pre race this week on forecast weather.What a frustrating week.

:adore::adore:

 

[gigilo]

Bath 6.40

Union rose 14/1 365...


14/1 betway 11/1 corals/victor

Union rose has become thorioughly unreliable especially after running 5th in a hot handicap in may at York behind duke of Firenze,very disappointing in this garde last time out at haydock when beaten 6ls,there appears to be loads of rain around so might soften the ground up at barth if that were to happen then would look more interesting as has some decent form on softer ground and although some of these go on softer ground I could see union roses prices collapsing.The twon favs heading the market so far have shown their best on dgd/fm not to saty they won't go on it but when they have run on it as yet not as good,if the ground doesn't soften up then fethiye boy looks the obvious pick massive improver last time out winning a race for horses rated upto 95 that's the best recent and improving pievce of form.If the rains do come then union rose could turn into a decent trade some of these may not even run and he could well go off 6-7/1 tops..betting ill be interesting regards these two as are stable mates and fethiye boy is 4/1 if ground doesn't turn can see the latter going off a fair bit shorter if no rain..

10/1 totesport/betfred


Another change in forecast weather now,been checking it gone from 20mm now to just over 8mm which if right won't even touch the turf on that ground unless there's a lot more the angle will be gone on the bet,every single meeting has been useless for betting pre race this week on forecast weather.What a frustrating week.

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!If that ground is gd/fm i'll eat my hat I thought and smashed in the betting looks like it is riding quick so a bit fortunate,what a touch was going to lay off earlier as well watched the first race saw some turf kicking up so left it ,doesn't tale longt for things to turn around!!!!:lol:

 

[pottsy]

Great tipping ty Giggsy

 

[Metro]

Another nice winner Giggsy ,Thanks.

 

[pernicious]

Nice one mate - back on track.

 

[Outsider]

Nice winner,well done.

 

[ulleyseys46]

cant see the angle on the soft ground myself, its best runs have come on g/f at ascot imo. the trainer probably ran fethiye boy as a pace maker, although in great form has done enough winning recently, and the fav, thats done nothing apart from a class 4 win to its name. winning time .50 outside of the course record,well done on the winner.

 

[gigilo]

It's not a horse that wanrts gd/fm good and softer look preferable the run behind royal birth last season the ground wasn't gd/fm was good ground at ascot going was wrong,horse is always entered on good or slower and tonights race was actually slower than the class 6 first race on the card...TIt's an impossible horse to catch right,the fact it was 14/1 with probably only the stable mate that had equivalebnt best form and the chance that union rose could've been running on softer ground whereas the opthers had virtually no soft ground form made the prices look massive.The fact it ended up winning on faster ground tonight probably says the race must've collapsed as the rest of the field wouldn't have beat lucky clover rated 53 in the first..it's in the wheelbarrow now so doesn't really matter..

 

[ulleyseys46]

what about the 2nd to hootenanny, ground description was good, but all the times that day were fast, the time of that race was 0.05, i dont think the horse is ground reliant,
comparing its runs in top races with g/f in the description, that race above was only 0.20 slower than the group 1 that day, it was well handicapped tonight and thrashed
those horses easily. like you say doesnt really matter, will agree to disagree:lol:

 

[gigilo]

Gigaset international 29th July

Charles Molson 40/1 365/betfred/totesport
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Charles Molson thorighly exposed 38 races just the three wins,]also never won over this trip on turf seems to be stuck in low mid 90s so obviously vulneranle to improvers in these better quality handicaps,win wise probably unlikely but he is 40/1 and has shown some promise over c/d recently.He ran 5th to fastnet tempest when zhui feng tried to make all on stands side finishing 3rd and then followed up by winning the hunt cup,charles Molson was near last in the victoria cup after 2 furlongs,didn't get a clear run in the race had to switch probably costing him a length or twn that run the 40/1 looks massiuve big turnaround with gigaset fav fastnet tempest for 2ls with no luck in running.he was also qiite well backed went off 16/1,he also ran well last season over the c/d off 94 when 6th of 18that race the first 5 of 6 came off the opace whereas he was always tracking it so probably did well to get 5th.
At 40/1 looks a bit of value,vulnerable to the newer improvers but last two ruuns have been good here and a drop in the weights,will also mention shady Mcoy ran 4th in the Victoria another unlucky in running running on strongly coming from similar position as Charles Molson,at the moment is 40/1 with only one firm will leave this one has run three races since has run well without threatening to win but he maybe 50s or bigger in he gets in so will leave till a bit closer to the race..