Dante Meeting

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Debatable this deserves it's own thread most years but it definitely does in 2023 judging by both the entries and the prospect of a decent ground flat meeting for a change. Just had the one bet so far but plenty of mouth watering races to look at.

Wed:
The opening handicap, the Jorvik, is usually a good race and this looks up to scratch. Israr tops the weight and Old Harrovian looks off a nice mark for Balding. I'll back Crystal Delight if he gets in.

I can't remember a better looking Duke of York at this stage. Highfield Princess heads the market despite the penalty and she's totally respected but Marshman's entry is fascinating. Three year old's rarely run in this (two in the last decade, both finished runner-up) and Burke's horse is likely high class. Not sure I'd back him but his York form is good and I have backed Noble Style for the Commonwealth so wouldn't mind a form boost.

Musidora hopefully will have a full field.

Thur:
Good sprint opens the card and I note that c/d winner Korker has been dropped to 100. Could be interesting

Free Wind vs Sea Silk Road is a good match-up in the Middleton

The Hambleton has an intense entry list at this stage - honestly can't remember a more appetising one in recent memory. Reach for the Moon top weight, Awaal, Brunch, Atrium, Wanees, Lattam. Really good race, Atrium is interesting off his current mark.

Wouldn't have a bet in the Dante but obviously a hugely important race this year with the Derby looking so open.

Fri:
Doesn't look quite as good on the last day but the 10f handicap is interesting.

The Yorkshire Cup like the Duke of York is an elite running and provides my only bet of the week ante-post. I think Siskany is a wild price at 6/1 and the market looks wonky for me - I can't have Quickthorn at the top of such a strong race and Elgar Eldorov fto carrying a penalty is too short as well. I'd have this between Broome and Siskany honestly and with a small weight pull from Meydan prefer the Godolphin horse.
 
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Churchill hcap on Wednesday.
NOMADIC EMPIRE 33/1 SKYBET I have to do it at that price.only 16s with bet365.
 
In the Musidora, I've taken 8/1 Novakai. Her OR of 113 is higher than some winners of the race reach before allowing for possible improvement into this season. The stablemate Bright Diamond ran well in the Lingfield trial yesterday. It looks to me like the ones ahead of her in the market are there on the basis of reputations rather than concrete form.
 
Isn't Billyb a big price in the Hambleton handicap on Thursday, Euro?

He only really started his racing career last season and still retains potential. The last run needs forgiving. He was slow at the start and was never going to be getting involved. Maybe each way possibilities if declared?
 
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Very true. I see trainer Ann Duffield also has course and distance winner Master Richard in there aswell. He's trained on over the winter based on his last win.
 
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Desert Orchid said:
In the Musidora, I've taken 8/1 Novakai. Her OR of 113 is higher than some winners of the race reach before allowing for possible improvement into this season. The stablemate Bright Diamond ran well in the Lingfield trial yesterday. It looks to me like the ones ahead of her in the market are there on the basis of reputations rather than concrete form.
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She's declared, so that's a start and I'm surprised 15/2 is still available so I've gone in again at that price. She should be no more than 3/1 and possibly even favourite.
 
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In the Musidora, I've taken 8/1 Novakai. Her OR of 113 is higher than some winners of the race reach before allowing for possible improvement into this season. The stablemate Bright Diamond ran well in the Lingfield trial yesterday. It looks to me like the ones ahead of her in the market are there on the basis of reputations rather than concrete form.
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To put this into perspective, Emily Upjohn last year only went up to 110 for winning this, Snowfall in 2021 went up to 108 and the year before Rose Of Kildare was kept on 103, so she should arguably be favourite, having run the winter ante-post favourite for the 1000 Guineas, Commissioning, to a length (4¾ lengths back to the third) on her final appearance in the Fillies’ Mile. She’s bred for middle distances and entitled to improve for the step up in trip. Something will have to make notable improvement to beat her even if she hasn’t progressed herself.

I really do think the price is huge and am sorely tempted to put her on the 'Should be odds-on' thread!
 
Two bets on Tuesday. Crystal Delight in the opener (discussed on the flat horses to note thread) and Marshman in the Duke of York. I can't have Creative Force heading the market for that race, I think he's vulnerable in this sort of company over a straight 6 and he beat handicappers at the weekend. Highfield Princess is respected but has to carry a beefy penalty and with Marshman I'm willing to take a chance he can mix it with the older horses given his profile - it's worth it at around 11/2. He has form over the course and distance and the Gimcrack has been franked this season by both Noble Style (loved his run in the Guineas) and Cold Case. His pipe opened in France over 5 1/2 was acceptable.
 
Reckon the likely strong pace will set up the race for The Astrologist which stayed 7f in his native Oz. Ryan Moore adds spice.
 
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Desert Orchid said:
To put this into perspective, Emily Upjohn last year only went up to 110 for winning this, Snowfall in 2021 went up to 108 and the year before Rose Of Kildare was kept on 103, so she should arguably be favourite, having run the winter ante-post favourite for the 1000 Guineas, Commissioning, to a length (4¾ lengths back to the third) on her final appearance in the Fillies’ Mile. She’s bred for middle distances and entitled to improve for the step up in trip. Something will have to make notable improvement to beat her even if she hasn’t progressed herself.

I really do think the price is huge and am sorely tempted to put her on the 'Should be odds-on' thread!
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Tipped up this morning by Hugh taylor who thinks 4/1 this morning was overpriced. Hope it wins for you at 8’s, great bet.
 
I've had to rethink the 1.50 with La Yakel coming out.

I've dutched Real Dream (3/1) with Thundering (6/1) and La Yakel's stablemate Tasman Bay (10/1). It works out at evens but those are the three with the best chances in my book.
 
Euronymous said:
Debatable this deserves it's own thread most years but it definitely does in 2023 judging by both the entries and the prospect of a decent ground flat meeting for a change. Just had the one bet so far but plenty of mouth watering races to look at.

Wed:
The opening handicap, the Jorvik, is usually a good race and this looks up to scratch. Israr tops the weight and Old Harrovian looks off a nice mark for Balding. I'll back Crystal Delight if he gets in.

I can't remember a better looking Duke of York at this stage. Highfield Princess heads the market despite the penalty and she's totally respected but Marshman's entry is fascinating. Three year old's rarely run in this (two in the last decade, both finished runner-up) and Burke's horse is likely high class. Not sure I'd back him but his York form is good and I have backed Noble Style for the Commonwealth so wouldn't mind a form boost.

Musidora hopefully will have a full field.

Thur:
Good sprint opens the card and I note that c/d winner Korker has been dropped to 100. Could be interesting

Free Wind vs Sea Silk Road is a good match-up in the Middleton

The Hambleton has an intense entry list at this stage - honestly can't remember a more appetising one in recent memory. Reach for the Moon top weight, Awaal, Brunch, Atrium, Wanees, Lattam. Really good race, Atrium is interesting off his current mark.

Wouldn't have a bet in the Dante but obviously a hugely important race this year with the Derby looking so open.

Fri:
Doesn't look quite as good on the last day but the 10f handicap is interesting.

The Yorkshire Cup like the Duke of York is an elite running and provides my only bet of the week ante-post. I think Siskany is a wild price at 6/1 and the market looks wonky for me - I can't have Quickthorn at the top of such a strong race and Elgar Eldorov fto carrying a penalty is too short as well. I'd have this between Broome and Siskany honestly and with a small weight pull from Meydan prefer the Godolphin horse.
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With you on Korker tomorrow.

The three I like in the hambleton handicap are Northern Express, Astro King and Master Richard.

A horse you have mentioned a few times is Astro King who has some good form in the book, now switched trainer after a gelding operation. He could run well.
 
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Yeah, I couldn't resist Korker even though he became a cliff horse last year. My only other bet is Baltic Voyage in the 5.00. I thought he ran well enough in a Nursery last back end when stepped up to 10f at Newmarket. He was only fourth but hated the dip and the two Godolphin horses who finished 1st and 3rd have franked the form since, Castle Way especially so.
 
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Yeah, I couldn't resist Korker even though he became a cliff horse last year. My only other bet is Baltic Voyage in the 5.00. I thought he ran well enough in a Nursery last back end when stepped up to 10f at Newmarket. He was only fourth but hated the dip and the two Godolphin horses who finished 1st and 3rd have franked the form since, Castle Way especially so.
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It's a wide open Dante isn't it. I think Dear My Friend could prove to be a big price. He was forward enough as a two year old winning his first two starts, then ran with credit in France and Newmarket. He won nicely this season at Newcastle after being hampered at the start, where he had the subsequent 2000 Guineas fourth Galeron back in third. I've a feeling he might have improved a lot from two to three and he could make a mockery of his current price.
 
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Croupier (3.00) was withdrawn owing to soft ground at Chester, so I'm assuning his Lincoln run (hvy) was a pipe opener.
Wm Buick aboard is a positive, so I've taken 11/1 to find out.
Have also bet Passenger (Dante) on Jinnny's say-so, bolstered by his being supplemented.
 
All in all it's quite a quiet day - tomorrow een more so - in terms of quality, known form and good betting opportunities.

Apart from a medium-heavy bet on Free Wind, I'm spreading some small stakes on a number of [hopefully] value punts.

York 1.50 - Nomadic Empire, Mondammej, Copper Knight

York 3.00 - Symbol Of Light (NR), Rise Hall (out to 80s). I've subbed Cruyff Turn for SOL. (How often would you see "Cruyff" and "subbed" used together??)
 
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Croupier (3.00) was withdrawn owing to soft ground at Chester, so I'm assuning his Lincoln run (hvy) was a pipe opener.
Wm Buick aboard is a positive, so I've taken 11/1 to find out.
Have also bet Passenger (Dante) on Jinnny's say-so, bolstered by his being supplemented.
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Nice winner Reet.
 
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