Dingle Or An Daingean?

Why can't they do the same as those people up north (waaaayyyyyy up north, not the bit that's actually the Midlands) and have signs made up which display the names in both English and Gaelic? In areas where Gaelic is the predominate language, this form takes precedence on the sign.

I presume they do much the same in the equally anglophile Wales.
 
Welcome Clive. We need more like you. Do you have a view on judicial execution age limits.

(Oh Sh1t - here comes Jinny)
 
Krizon
As ever you miss the point, as ever you are unable to read a thread properly and no doubt as ever when you start to struggle here you will make a completely unbackable assertion of bigotry

but you know krizon...this issue could be part of the jewish conspiracy....

Simmo
Precisely
 
Cliveykins, the day I take you seriously is the day BEST MATE comes back from the dead and wins another Gold Cup. Do you own a dictionary? I suggest you consult it occasionally so you can understand those big words before you write them.
 
Simmo - that's already the case in the vast majority of the country. It's just this bizarro law specific to the Gaeltacht areas that's causing the issue. There's nothing anglophobic about said law, it's just a cock-eyed attempt at language preservation.
 
Is language preservation worthwhile?

Strikes me in this globalised world as a bit of a waste of time. If people want to speak it ,fair enough, but no point in forcing the issue.

Wasting kids time teaching them to be bilingual in a language where the vast majority of the speakers can speak english anyway doesnt seem like a great use of resources to me (if thats what happens).

In your own time maybe, but part of the curriculum?
 
Maybe they don't like the English language and use it out of convenience.

It's attitudes like this that actually make me want to learn Gaelic, specifically for the purpose of going to England and asking for things in their shops. When they inevitably fail to understand me, I shall shout louder and louder until they do. If that fails, I shall shout abuse (in Gaelic) about their being bloody foreigners and questioning why they couldn't have taken the time to learn MY bloody language, the ignorant feckers.

You sir, are a gorroch gadgie.
 
Originally posted by clivex@Oct 25 2006, 03:44 PM
Is language preservation worthwhile?

Strikes me in this globalised world as a bit of a waste of time. If people want to speak it ,fair enough, but no point in forcing the issue.

Wasting kids time teaching them to be bilingual in a language where the vast majority of the speakers can speak english anyway doesnt seem like a great use of resources to me (if thats what happens).

In your own time maybe, but part of the curriculum?
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Well that's me and thousands of others f*cked then, clivex. I worry about the attitude of those who think language learning is not necessary. Other countries speak English because they treat learning a language far better than we do here in England and, by the way, if we obliterate language learning, they won't speak English any more because they won't be learning it! Eejit.
 
Originally posted by clivex@Oct 25 2006, 01:44 PM
Is language preservation worthwhile?

Strikes me in this globalised world as a bit of a waste of time. If people want to speak it ,fair enough, but no point in forcing the issue.

Wasting kids time teaching them to be bilingual in a language where the vast majority of the speakers can speak english anyway doesnt seem like a great use of resources to me (if thats what happens).

In your own time maybe, but part of the curriculum?
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Spoken like a true Brit.
 
Can I ask forumites please to remember to cut out the personal abuse whatever you think of the opinion .
 
LOL

Its way too easy sometimes

Talk about missing the point. Also didnt say it was something I agree with (death of a language) although i would, if i was an irish parent, have misgivings if it was being taught instead of sciences or maths say

No one has come up with what i thought would be the most salient reason for preservation...

The chip on shoulder response predominates



It's attitudes like this that actually make me want to learn Gaelic, specifically for the purpose of going to England and asking for things in their shops. When they inevitably fail to understand me, I shall shout louder and louder until they do. If that fails, I shall shout abuse (in Gaelic) about their being bloody foreigners and questioning why they couldn't have taken the time to learn MY bloody language, the ignorant feckers.
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Oh ...get you! WOW!

I worry about the attitude of those who think language learning is not necessary.
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Sadly it will be necessary until the rest of the world learns english :)

But of course, thats not what i said
 
if i was an irish parent, have misgivings if it was being taught instead of sciences or maths say
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Obviously this isn't the case, but Irish is a compulsory subject right up until you leave school. There's actually quite a lot of resentment towards the language (maybe more so in Dublin?) because of how we're forced to study it despite not really getting any great benefit from it (compared to the other compulsory subjects, Maths & English).
 
PDJ,

I think Clivex is talking about forcing kids to learn Irish\Welsh etc, as in languages that are used by so few people they need perserving. While in this instance it pains me to agree with the poster, I would much prefer to have been taught German or Spanish rather than Irish. Had that been the case I might actually have tried to learn it.

Not a universally accepted point of view, but, I believe, a vaild one.
 
Originally posted by Gareth Flynn@Oct 25 2006, 02:36 PM
if i was an irish parent, have misgivings if it was being taught instead of sciences or maths say
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Obviously this isn't the case, but Irish is a compulsory subject right up until you leave school. There's actually quite a lot of resentment towards the language (maybe more so in Dublin?) because of how we're forced to study it despite not really getting any great benefit from it (compared to the other compulsory subjects, Match & English).
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Are you required to learn any other languages ?
 
They're not officially compulsory, so it's up to the schools to offer French and German etc. - which most do.
 
Considering that both on here and on the topic 'Iraq', clivex scolds us that we've all missed his point or misinterpreted him, I'd say that learning any other language than English was an unnecessary distraction.
 
National University entrance requires (or used to at any rate) that you pass at least 1 modern language, usually French, German or Spanish. Unlike A levels, most Leaving Certificate pupils will study between 7 and 10 subjects.
 
Clivex -you make me laugh.Having lived in London for 12 years the levels of basic literacy and numeracy among teenagers were well below par.Perhaps you should pay more attention to what happens in your own country before you start interfering in the education system of another country.
 
Originally posted by Melendez@Oct 25 2006, 03:43 PM
National University entrance requires (or used to at any rate) that you pass at least 1 modern language, usually French, German or Spanish. Unlike A levels, most Leaving Certificate pupils will study between 7 and 10 subjects.
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We were subjected to French for the first time at the age of 12, which meant that the richer kids who'd had holiday exposure started with a slight advantage, but ultimately a lot came down to 'teacher lottery' in the first couple of formative years. I drew a short straw, but suspect I'd have been pretty useless anyway.

I was thinking about this the other day. Why do we learn French as the first foreign language of choice? or do we anymore? PDJ? Is it because its perceived to be easier? is it because its geographically nearer? is it based on some perverse sense of history? It's not even the most popular listed first language of Brussels any longer much to their chagrin. It might be the official language of diplomacy (some what ironically imo) but its essentially a dying language, and so long as American English is the international language of IT, seems destined to remain at the 'bak of the grid'. Spanish is more widely spoken globally, adn apart from a few islands, a couple of African countries and a province and a half of Canada, I can't think that its to widely adopted.

I was speaking with a personage from the Cambridge exam board the other day (they do occasionally set foot in Oxford, and take great delight in wearing something light blue to advertise to the fact). Silly games they play, :rolleyes: but she told me that until recently the principal contribution that French made to the cirriculum was that it was very often the first time children were taught grammer and punctuation. (I should clarify we are talking about seriosuly snobby 'jolly hockey sticks' Headmistress type here).

I'd have though Mandarin, Cantonese and Gujarat possibly with Russian or Portugese at a push would be the foward thinking progressive option?
 
ahhh rumbled

U have found out that im behind a sinister plot to brainwash your children...
 
Warbler

The obvious answer is that of the major languages the French speak the least english. Its purely practical.
 
Is 'ramble' your new word today, clivex? "Learn a new word every day, learn to use it every way." Well done.
 
Originally posted by Warbler@Oct 25 2006, 05:13 PM
I was speaking with a personage from the Cambridge exam board the other day (they do occasionally set foot in Oxford, and take great delight in wearing something light blue to advertise to the fact). Silly games they play,  :rolleyes: but she told me that until recently the principal contribution that French made to the cirriculum was that it was very often the first time children were taught grammer and punctuation. (I should clarify we are talking about seriosuly snobby 'jolly hockey sticks' Headmistress type here).
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I can fully appreciate that. The first time that I learned what a past-participle was, was in a French class not an English one. A fact that probably hindered my ability to pick up the language.

My biggest regret from school was not making the most of the opportunity to learn French to a decent standard and it is something that I am seriously considering addressing now as an adult. If nothing else than to make reading Paris-Turf easier!
 
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