Dingle Or An Daingean?

Well there are other decriptions for your unintelligable posts too...but i think they might not be acceptable on this forum


Moving on from the tiresome posts, are we reaching a stage where every professional or managerial person in the developed world will from necessity require a decent understanding of English? Every kid will absolutely need to elarn english to have a chance of getting on

English is truely dominant now and that has contributed to the UK's and....wait for it.....Ireland's... recent prosperity...so its all good news
 
It's 'unintelligible', clive, something you'd know if you could spell. Your capital letters need a bit of work, too. You're right, you are rather tiresome. You're too easy to wind up and no fun any more. Cheerio!
 
Clivex - I'm intrigued - English is obviously not your mother tongue, so where is it you hail from?

While they're not as correct grammatically as those of Crazy Horse and Sunybay, your posts are still a very creditable attempt all the same.

Well done !
 
im typing quickly at work whilst i should be doing better things (usually whilst talking on the phone to my jewish conspirators) ....

Just have to accept it as it is


:ph34r:

Is this a veil?
 
Originally posted by clivex@Oct 25 2006, 04:18 PM
Warbler

The obvious answer is that of the major languages the French speak the least english. Its purely practical.
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Not for the first time Clive, I think you're misunderstanding me. I have no interest in the French education system, and I would have thought that them learning to speak French is more than quite legitimate, or practical as you point out. Similarly, I really couldn't give a hoot if they choose to try and avoid speaking English, and that wasn't what I was alluding to at all. My only exception to this concerns flying Air France of course, as some of their pilots have taken to defiantly insisting on communicating with various ATC stations in French and not the Internationally recognised English. :o It's potentially quite dangerous if flying to South Africa for instance, where you have to cross so many different land borders!!!

What I was questioning is the validity of us having to learn it, as our prescribed second language of choice (if indeed it still is). It ties in nicley with your reference to it being a 'major language'. I'm increasingly of the opinion that it isn't, and indeed listed some emerging languages that I believe that have either surpassed it, or will do in the next 20 years. I would add German and probably Japanese to the list, Hindi might be another to consider.
 
Originally posted by PDJ@Oct 25 2006, 06:38 PM
I am only £20 per hour for anyone wanting to learn more French...
Curiousity gets the better of me Paul. What languages are typically offered these days? is there a perceived hierarchy? or graduating structure, (in my day the best French students were allowed to choose if they wanted to progress to German) and what level age do people specialise? oh and get their first taster?
 
Originally posted by Warbler@Oct 25 2006, 06:13 PM
I was thinking about this the other day. Why do we learn French as the first foreign language of choice?
I'm in agreement here in that I'm perplexed why it is that in this day and age, French is usually the compulsory language. I can only think that it harks back to the days when people weren't travelling the world for their holidays and those who were lucky enough to be able to go abroad went to France as our closest neighbour [without splitting hairs as to whether other countries are closer or not depending on geographical location in the UK obviously!!!]. German seems a little pointless in that very few countries speak German as a first language [bar the Germans, naturally!!] and Germans on the whole are excellent English speakers. Personally I think it would make more sense to teach Spanish first - it is spoken by a far greater percentage of the population than French, after all.

In my school you only had the option to take Spanish if you were in the bottom sets or were struggling with French. Everyone would take French at 11 - those in the top set at the end of the first year then took an additional language on - a choice of German or Russian. At the start of the third year everyone bar the ones who were really struggling in the bottom set had to take another language - Spanish if you weren't any good at French or again, a choice of German or Russian if you were proficient at French but not in the top set. If you were really struggling and couldn't manage French at any time (even in the 1st year) you were made to drop French and take Spanish instead - which lead to the concept that only "thickies" took Spanish.

All terribly off topic I know - apologies!!
 
My only exception to this concerns flying Air France of course, as some of their pilots have taken to defiantly insisting on communicating with various ATC stations in French

Thats been official for many years. Its not a defiant thing but only applies to french airspce (if i remember rightly)

You missed my point a bit

Dont disagree with you in principle but to all intenmts and purposes in the business world at least, frnech is the most required language
 
It changes quite frequently but this is what happens now at our place

In yr 7, half the pupils take French and half take Spanish, they have no option about which one they take, they just get told. They study this language until the end of Yr 9 when they take their GCSE options. In each year group, there are roughly 50 pupils who are removed from studying MFL as their reading age in English is 7 or below at the end of Yr 7. They then do extra literacy and spelling lessons. At the end of Yr 9, they can choose French or Spanish GCSE (but only the one they have been studying for three years - bar exceptional circumstances)

Neither language is popular (it is too difficult for most) and in a year group of approximately 250, we have 16 studying French and 11 studying Spanish in Yr 10 and roughly the same in Yr 11(280 in this cohort).

In order to try and summon up some vestiges of enthusiasm from the children, we are offering different courses such as the Entry Level Certificate (just below a grade G at GCSE but allows access to other courses) in Yr 10, even if you have studied the "wrong" language up to that point. The Principal has decreed (in line with the Government) that 50% of pupils should be studing a language at KS4 in some regard so this will allow schools to reach that target.

Ever since the Government made languages optional (2002/3) there has been a slippery slope and instead of trying to recruit more staff, they have just been making it more and more optional and less attractive by reducing the amount of coursework, therefore negating the need for more staff by decreasing numbers.

Their first taster should happen in Primary school and the situation is improving but it is still only around 50% of schools offering languages at Key Stage 2. Unless 100% of schools are doing it, it is a waste of time any of them doing it but for some reason, this logic appears to be beyond some people more powerful than me.
 
Outside France itself, French is often understood in other Latin countries of Europe. Then there's the southern shore of the Mediterranean, from Morocco to Tunisia, and huge chunks of sub-Saharan Africa. Then you can add in various bits of islands in the Atlantic, Indian and Pacific oceans.

Apart from the practical aspect, there is the cultural heritage of France which becomes more accessible when you have the language. The literature, the art, the films, the food, and even le Paris-Turf.

Learn English , French and Spanish and you can cover five continents quite well. Unfortunately the exception, Asia, is the most populous one by far, but what the hell.
 
I would say that French is not the most populous choice any more. Spanish is more often taught from speaking to teachers in my area. I wish french was taught more, obviously but what the hey!!
 
Salaam-u-layqqum! Ma'asa al-khair! Given their extreme charge towards world domination, I think you all know which language you should be learning - NOW! :D
 
I studied French and had six years of Latin and four of ancient Greek.

I was also chastised occasionally with the ferula, a Jesuitical implement of torture made of whale bone covered in leather. Psychological punishment was added to the corporal punishment, as you were given a couple of days to decide exactly when you wanted the ferula to be administered.

On balance I think I preferred the ferula to the ancient Greek.
 
I have a brother in law who did a PHD in ancient Greek. I never asked him why, as I think we both know there is no satisfactory answer to the question.
 
I would have loved to have had the opportunity to earn Ancient Greek or Latin - preferably both! It is something I would still love to do...
 
I was only moderate at French in my first year, and in my second year copped for a particularly lousy teacher. Lovely bloke in many respects, but a shite teacher. Suffice to say I scored poorly in the end of year tests (I was normally a prolific exam taker, but this time I flunked it to use an Americanism). This lead to me being put on a course for rejects called 'Destination France', we were affectionately known as the "DF's", a badge of backwardness if ever there was one. The course was essentially about situation language rather than the complexity of verbs etc; how to order a beer in a camp site (strange thing to be teaching 14 years olds, but thinking about the composition of my DF group, probably not). We were hopelessly equipped to take the CSE even as about 50% involved stuff we'd never even seen before. In short we'd be written off. Anyway the same personnel tended to populate the bottom set in every subject, and suddenly I'd been propelled into this group as something of an interloper. The first test we had I top scored by a country mile, achieving something just short of 100%. It was tantamount to 1st year regression therapy. I realise now that I should have confronted the teacher and demanded to be moved out of this group, or get someone to do it for me. I also feel the school should have acted and realised that they'd stuck me in the wrong group and moved to re-allocate me, they didn't. What eventually happened of course is that I reverted to the DF level, as it became necessary to adapt in order to survive. There was no will or incentive to learn amongst the group, and the teacher had no chance either. In short it was an unnecessary ordeal every week for all. Top scoring test after test was not exactly endearing me to my jolly DF comrades, so it became necessary in the name of survival, and to gain acceptance to become one of them. I duly drifted into what you would call a trouble maker, and actually became a quite prolific one, given that I could combine intelligence with the dark art, which was something that was beyond most of the thugs and sloths.

And that I fear, has been my only exposure to foreign language study, other than an ill fated module in Swedish as part of a General Studies course that was a cheap way of adding to your A level count. I was prevented from taking the exam at the 11th hour, when it was discovered that I'd only attened half a dozen classes in two years. I even earned the comment from the teacher "I look forward to meeting Alun one day" on my report, but even this didn't seem to alert anyone to my continual absence. There were 3 of us who never attended, and myself and one other got caught. We came within a whisker of being seriously sanctioned for it, and my partner in crime didn't exactly help when gobbing off at the Headmaster. I'd slaughtered the Head of year when asking some pointed questions about the futility of the course, and generally humiliated her. She ran off to the Head and the whole shooting match started, that came very close to us getting expelled.(this was in the mid 80's - I'm sure no one would bat an eyelid today, and although it was a comprehensive school it was a very reluctant one that still hung on the vestiages of its yesteryear). The third individual who didn't get caught, took the exam and passed it, as if to prove the very point I was making. I was very confident that we would have too, and suspect the school knew it, but couldn't risk us making a mockery of the futility of their timetable and teaching etc
 
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