Do ghosts exist?

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Everyone has a ghost story.
So do I.

Many years ago I kept racing greyhounds. One night sitting at home, I heard an almighty racket coming from the kennels -- barking and howling of a unearthly kind.
I went out to the kennels; the five dogs were barking and yelping unmercifully at a corner of the walls. They were wide-eyed and clearly frightened ......... of something. They were almost rigid with fear; one of them was actually catatonic on the ground. I felt a coldness also, and I'll admit I got scared. I hurried back indoors and sat down shaking. (Dogs are supposed to have a greater sense of a "presence" than humans).
It took me a long long time to get over the experience.

A couple of years later I came to the realisation of what really did occur. The incident was rare example of a case of mass-hysteria in the hounds. Mass-hysteria is all that it was, a hysteria that also passed on to me on the night.
 
Aye, Cold Reading is a very old technique, and is something that is quite extraordinary when practised by a skilled medium/spiritualist/teller.
But it's a con -- nothing more.
Plenty of information on Cold Reading on the intarweb.
 
redhead said:
My dad "sends" mum roses on her birthday every year. She suddenly gets surrounded by a strong scent of roses. Sometimes it is so strong that other people can smell it too. It only happens on her birthday and her furniture has changed since Dad died, so it cannot be something clinging to the fabric that gets released by a change of temperature or sunlight or the like.

Our physics lessons taught us that energy never dies, just changes form. So energy with a consciousness attached...? So much more to explore and discuss than a flat "yes" or "no". Fascinating stuff.
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http://www.askamathematician.com/20...rgy-within-our-bodies-and-brains-when-we-die/

Have a read of that, and let me know what you think, Redhead.
 
Bang out of order bar and a load of fcking rubbish

she was emphatically not a liar, stupid or a fantasist.

And dont patronise with bollocks about brcuase ot was family. I dont have to explain why

someone else was there yes but so what?

that is a seriously offensive post and would have been regardless of relationship . Equally so if it was a friend I knew and trusted
 
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But ill hit back in return

Given that my mother was not a liar ... granted?

You would have to be as thick as two short planks not to see that simply conveying the story accuately from pure imagination would be millions to one
 
Apologies if it was offensive; I genuinely didn't mean to be.

She doesn't need to be a liar or stupid or a fantasist. I don't think she was. I have been tricked by phishing emails, I have backed Welbeck to be top goalscorer, I have bought shares in Anglo Irish Bank, so I hope making an error of judgement doesn't make me stupid or a fantasist. And I don't even know for sure if it was a case of your mother being duped.

But if you were trying to convince people that this was a genuine case of someone with a sixth sense, all you did is highlight a synopsis of what seemed to be a textbook cold reading situation.
 
Bar the Bull said:
Apologies if it was offensive; I genuinely didn't mean to be.

She doesn't need to be a liar or stupid or a fantasist. I don't think she was. I have been tricked by phishing emails, I have backed Welbeck to be top goalscorer, I have bought shares in Anglo Irish Bank, so I hope making an error of judgement doesn't make me stupid or a fantasist. And I don't even know for sure if it was a case of your mother being duped.

But if you were trying to convince people that this was a genuine case of someone with a sixth sense, all you did is highlight a synopsis of what seemed to be a textbook cold reading situation.
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Welbeck? You idiot.
 
20 odd years ago, I used to get intense visions of the near 'future'. They were never more than a few minutes before an event. I had no control over it happening, but when it did, I knew it was happening. It was an overwhelming sense of simply knowing and living the event in my minds eye.

I was able to confirm things prior to them occurring (usually with the ex, but once with a close friend). I was always in a very calm state of mind and body, doing something so mundane it was just routine, literally going through the motions.

I didn't run around predicting things and getting a few things correct. It was rare, at it's most frequent, I'd say once every 2 months, therefore the opportunities I had to prove this were few, but prove them I did.

The ex was seriously spooked by the whole thing, and refused to talk about it, ever. My friend merely said something along the lines of "holy f*ck, you trippy *******".

Knowing this, and believe me I've thought about it over the last couple of decades, I know for a fact that time is not as we perceive it to be. I've concluded that it simply doesn't exist, and that the whole thing is a blurring of dimensions, giving the illusion of 'time'

There is no present, as it cannot be defined. You could pick a point in 'time' as a future event to roll towards, but I could divide that point further by segments of 'time' disabling that numerical point from ever happening.

Do ghosts exist? Not in the sense that people think. We're just locked in an infinitive (possibly circulating/pulsating) set of dimensions.

All I know for certain, was that what I experienced was real. I've also thought that if everything, everywhere, was traveling faster or as fast as the speed of light, then we would perceive a past as having passed and a future we're traveling into, thus giving the illusion of a present.

If we're pulsating through dimensions at light speed, we will think that our actions alter the future, as our past seems to do, but it can be argued that we would also be pulled into the future, and that the future also affects our past.

So, I believe we simply are.

That last bit on the speed of light, is something I've kind of been forced to consider, as the only fact I have is what used to happen to me, so I must use that as a base. Time is not what we think it is, that is all I know for certain. If I was able to peer into the 'future', then the 'future' must already be there.

Heavy ****, I know, but it is related.
 
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Bar the Bull said:
Apologies if it was offensive; I genuinely didn't mean to be.

She doesn't need to be a liar or stupid or a fantasist. I don't think she was. I have been tricked by phishing emails, I have backed Welbeck to be top goalscorer, I have bought shares in Anglo Irish Bank, so I hope making an error of judgement doesn't make me stupid or a fantasist. And I don't even know for sure if it was a case of your mother being duped.

But if you were trying to convince people that this was a genuine case of someone with a sixth sense, all you did is highlight a synopsis of what seemed to be a textbook cold reading situation.
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No I havent

You havent even read my post.


You have not taken on boartd how it unfolded. I think it is extremely arrogant to assume that someone has been duped when not even considering the basic facts or knowing anything about the people involved
 
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I did read it.

Your mother acknowledged facts as time went on. My central point is that without you telling us exactly what was said, in particular the level of acknowledgement, it is impossible for me to surmise that it was anything beyond normal. You are asking me to interpret a sketchy account of a story in which I know none of the protagonists and the fact that the stranger knowing this stuff about your mother was "comprehensively reassuring" would be a flag for me to take stuff with a pinch of salt. You'll note that nowhere have I ruled out the possibility that the stranger was some sort of psychic.

Surely you can't be naive enough to think that you can type this stuff up on the internet without anticipating a response like mine?
 
Yes. Numerous instances of it for me but the best goes like this...

My parents were watching television in their living room one cold, dark night in December. Suddenly they were startled by a scream from upstairs. The scream metamorphosed into cries of "Help! Mum!" from my young sister lying in her bed.

They rushed upstairs to find her cowering with the blankets pulled up around her face, saying "there are eyes looking at me". They could see nothing, but clearly something was upsetting her, so they calmly informed the presence that it was "scaring the wee lassie. Come on downstairs and talk to us for a bit". The presence left the room.

(All well and good so far - clearly a case of a highly strung teenager with an overactive imagination being pandered to.....)

The parental units returned to the living room, where my mother had what she later described as a "psychic conversation" with the spirit. She elicited numerous details, a name and a purpose for the visitation. She called herself Aunt Sissy and was looking for her nephew Alan.

My mother explained that Alan wasn't living in the house any more and, at length, the spirit went away. The noises, footsteps, tapping on the shoulder, doors being slammed that had previously blighted the house have since stopped.

At the time in question my parents were purchasing a piece of land adjacent to the property which belonged to a previous owner of the house who now lived in Canada and had engaged in numerous conversations with him around that time.

The next time they spoke to Mr Alan Laing they discovered that he had lived in the house as a child. His Aunt Sissy had lived with them in the property.

Self persuasion and a good guess? I choose to think not. No doubt others will remain skeptical.
 
I told you how it unfolded . There was no input from mymother whatsoever other than acknowledgement. Hiw could there be?

Oh I think you have the name wrong and no it wasnt in that street and no she didnt always wea black and no she wasnt tall and carried a stick
 
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I think you would be best advised to stop speculating whether my mother was a habitual liar. Something that any one who knew her would find incredible

Secondly she came from solid northern working class stock . Not an environment where bullshitting was a way of life

If someone wants to try the cold reading on me fire away...

What you have got to do is nail the following without any input from me. And absolutely not get one element wrong

1. Who is contacting me?
2. Appearance. Height etc
3. Location and description
4. What they wore ..precisely
5. What they always carried
6. What their relationship was with me?

Ok so far. .? Guess all that right. ?

7. What happened that was significant
8. Why the regret.
9. Reason for contact
10 . Time of life when this occurred

And so on. There was more

Not a cat in hells chance

That is why my mother is not a bullshitter , duped (last person...) or a fantasist. As has been suggested

But this is not a circus act. This was a communication which meant the world to my mother . As I said before there is a reason for that
 
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Cold reading, NAP.

One of the links from Slim's video gives a good example, not necessarily the actual reading, but the reaction to the reading, blocking out the massive mistakes (no boyfriend) and focusing on the general statements that rang true. Psychic reading video
 
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Something of a mischievous thread.

Can't prove that ghosts exist, can't prove they don't.
Can't prove that God (capital letter just in case) exists, can't prove (s)he doesn't.

Whatever you believe you are right by your own lights, the only ones that matter. I've not had a visitation from a god or a spirit.

May your god go with you.
 
People here thnk hey know odds? A five year old would do better . A forum of the clueless

Look at Simmos story ...

Two names . Given and their relationship.

Chances?

Lets say 100 male names and 100 female? Get them spot on

100 x 100 1/10000

Relationships? How many perms there? Say 20?

Getting tough now isn't it?

And that's before you have got onto the full story

Of course it can be dismissed as simmo making the whole thing up but I sense not
 
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Steve T said:
Cold reading, NAP.

One of the links from Slim's video gives a good example, not necessarily the actual reading, but the reaction to the reading, blocking out the massive mistakes (no boyfriend) and focusing on the general statements that rang true. Psychic reading video
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Try my example then. Before you spout off

Come on???
 
I have never suggested your mother was a liar or bullshitter. If you think I suggest that maybe I should stop. Especially as your list just now suggests your not familiar with the circumstances in which cold reading can work.
 
you are completing ignoring how the encounter was described. You are also ignoring the chain of events as described above. The detail that was completely volunteered and the fact that not one detail was wrong

Uncomfortable? Working out the odds now? Didnt take me long

Yes there is a suggestion that she was duped. "What was your friends name again? Jackie, Helen, Doris. Ah yes that's it". Bollocks


So yes you had better stop
 
Bar the Bull said:
No I am not uncomfortable. Just amazed that you're so precious.
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precious is only part of it Bar?...you want to see him in a morning when i kick him out of bed to get the kettle on..right shirty bugger

i don't believe in ghosts mesen..and folk who pray on gullible people are fakers

i've had all this discussion at work before...didn't whats his name expose some of these people..the guy who did the greyhound betting thing where he knocked on the wall and got the cashier to pay out on losers..can't remember his bloody name..my memory is getting really bad...a thread on how much your memory goes after 55 might be a good idea...what is a thread by the way?
 
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I think it's mildly amusing that a thread on ghosties ends up being an attack on the integrity and sanity of Clive's mother within a page or two :lol: Good 'ole TH hey?

I think cold reading is a skill and it often relies on the subject giving off 'yes' indications. That's how Derren Brown does it, but there are far too many other examples, videos, and encounters that just can't be explained

Science simply shrugs and says we can't explain it, but then goes onto make a giant a leap that says if we can't expalin it, then it doesn't exist. I think it hinges on the strength of the evidence that can't be explained though. Thats' why I find the case for ghosts and ghoulies a sight more convincing than a do the supreme being/ creator, albeit perhaps they're one of the same thing? :whistle:
 
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