Euro poll

Who would you vote for?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 7 19.4%
  • Labour

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • Lib Dem

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • Green

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • BNP

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • Other nationalist

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • They're all shite - I couldn't vote for any

    Votes: 8 22.2%

  • Total voters
    36

Warbler

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As politics sinks ever more into its own swamp, I decided to set up a snap shot of public opinion with the forthcoming European elections in mind.
 
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Is putting UKIP in italics a subliminal message to vote for, or against, the party, Warbs? I think we should be told...
 
More likely the case that I can't operate the bloody add poll option!!! although it appears in the same type face on mine. Mind you I'm struggling to understand how 2 votes have got registered and yet no one was recorded as visiting the thread. :confused: I did think about trying to add a multiple choice thing as it occurs to me that there must be some very reluctant voters out there who would also agree with the final sentiment, but all my attempts to amend the options have failed so far.

One for Gareth to unpick:D
 
You don't know who's voted, Gearoid. Just because I ask about UKIP doesn't mean I've voted for them. Crikey - talk about a rush to judgment! No, it's not a rhetorical question - why would one party be shown in a different typeface to the others?
 
I have not put much thought into but I always err on the side of caution with politics when Warbler is concerned....
 
Kri, I think you'll find the one you voted for shows up in italics only for you.

I suppose it's a means of reminding you of which way you voted.

So you've disclosed your secret ballot!!!!:blink:
 
I had some BNP literature shoved through my letter box yesterday which i`m not happy about. I wish they`d knocked on my door for a chat.

Can`t vote for Labour right now, so i`d go Green.
 
Kri, I think you'll find the one you voted for shows up in italics only for you.

I suppose it's a means of reminding you of which way you voted.

So you've disclosed your secret ballot!!!!:blink:

I thought I'd test your theory Colin and cast my own vote, and the same thing happened, so that's what I meant to say Krizon (cos I'm such an IT technowizard). Of course its for your eyes only:ninja:
 
Tough one as there's one or two I could have chosen...still not sure if that's how I'll go when it's the real thing though
 
Oh, I see what y'all mean! That's brilliant, ain't it?? Warbler, you might've alerted us! Right, I'll change it now to the Britain for the Iceni Party...
 
Ah but that location in your profile is going to make the hairs in Krizons nostrils bristle with anger and rage, as she scents one of the numerous freeloaders on the gravy train that she so despises at having to subsidise. Bodecuia is firing up her chariot to come cut ye down.

And nice to see the "they're all shite, couldn't vote for any of them" party leading the way:lol:
 
I think we should also have an exit poll tosee if there were shifts in voting patten are there not also locl elections on the same day, the turn out will be intresting as well will it go up, or down could be some intresting bets come out of all this mess.
 
Grey, well hurry up, man! I'm not getting any younger! Oh, no, wait - I suppose you've got to first refer to Article 1286, Ch. 87, para 5, sub-paragraph 10-b on "Procedures for the Permanent Disposal of Persons not in Favour of EU Membership", which, I see, has to go before a panel of 24 ethnically diverse members in equal male/female ratio, including one person of vertically-challenged stature, one gender reassignee, and a couple of chimpanzees, who'll ensure that no action is taken which might adversely affect The Rights of Primates (Appendix III, paras 1-c - 573-d).

Ah, that means I'm all right for the next decade or two, then...
 
Grey, well hurry up, man! I'm not getting any younger! Oh, no, wait - I suppose you've got to first refer to Article 1286, Ch. 87, para 5, sub-paragraph 10-b on "Procedures for the Permanent Disposal of Persons not in Favour of EU Membership", which, I see, has to go before a panel of 24 ethnically diverse members in equal male/female ratio, including one person of vertically-challenged stature, one gender reassignee, and a couple of chimpanzees, who'll ensure that no action is taken which might adversely affect The Rights of Primates (Appendix III, paras 1-c - 573-d).

Ah, that means I'm all right for the next decade or two, then...

And what could possibly be wrong with that?
 
I'd be extremely worried that so many normally sensible people on this forum can consider voting Conservative...
 
If it turns out to be true that Nigel Farage has claimed £2 million in expenses from the European parliament, I think UKIP might struggle for votes.
 
What is significant about that list is that there are parties from right across the board....except the hard left

Even with the climate supposedly being one where "western capitlism" and liberal democracy has "failed", they have no agenda, no party and no support.

All they have to hang onto is their Islamist friends now.... the hardest right wing and oppressive sect we have seen since pol pot

Well warbler? :)
 
Which list are you on about Clive? the one that lists all the corrupt claims for expenses? As you rightly say, this is indeed a colourful rainbow coalition of cross party corruption, be it moral or financial, and does indeed seem to impact equally across all the facets of supposed democratic captialism with few, if any of it its manifestiations excluded. But as you also acknowledge the proper left don't really figure on it.

As I've explained to you before (seemingly to no good effect) what you refer to as the hard left (due to the fact that your own pendulum is determind by the reactionary elements that prescribe to you what boundaries you need to confine your thinking within) don't have any time for organised religon, be it christian, muslim or russian orthodox (strictly speaking christian, but you should get the point). Marxist theory adopts a very clear atheist positon. It's only great leaders so beloved by yourself like Tony Blair and George W Bush that allow their religious doctrine to determind their policy. I'd love you to find me an example of it being applied in the communist world? In most cases any religion is illegal, although Stalin relaxed it periodically.

Once again, you're confusing capitalist loving liberals like Ken Livingstone as hard left. As I've explained to you before, you're restricted by your own blinkers in terms of the spectrum which you view these things across. If you weren't, you'd be able to see that it's the right wing that gives rise to these groups and nutures them.

Indeed, you actually had a quasi Stalinist state in the middle east who was successfully stamping down on organised islam and erradicating its radical clerics and preventing it getting a foothold there. They were so concerned by its potential spread they even went to war with the country that craddled the Islamic revolution and tried to destroy them thus.

Remind me how the righteous capitalist right wing rewarded them for attacking the same concerns that seem to worry you so much?
 
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you can call Ken livingstone, Ken loach, Seamus Milne etc etc what you like warbler...but they would describe themsleves and many would agree, that they are "hard left". And that constituency is not even on the radar electorally

And certainly the communist "anti religous" left

point remains ....with the supposed "failure" of captilism over the past year, why has there been virtually no call for or support for an alternative?

Not even as a fringe party...

As for original question, no idea who i would vote for at the moment. the election should only be about the EU representation and not a poll on present administration (fat chance). Would have to be pro eu for me with a commitment to reform of CAP and the heavy handed side of bureaucracy ...and expenses
 
Well since Livingstone's the only one who sought public office, I think you're being a tad disingenious to throw the others in to put it mildly. Milne would fall between both stools and would carry soem legitimacy, but then he's journo not a politican. Loach is a romaticist with some Troty posturing that always send him scurrying back to Labour, so I wouldn't consider him hard left. Livingstone is just an opportunist out of the traditions of bourgeoise social chauvinism and all the revisionist tendancies that so characterised debate pre WW1, (hence why he's a labourite, who makes the odd barbed comment about Blair, but otherwise seeks to register his concern about the liberalism of new labour by seeking to wrap himself in it, if he thinks he can elected on their coat-tails). Remember they withdrew their support from him and favoured Dobbo, he didn't walk out on them.

I'm afraid you have your little Englanders blinkers on again Clive regarding your other point. I expect the far left to out perform the far right, (as indeed they have to date). By restricting your vistas to England though, you are taking a very narrow view of Europe. There's a 'far left group' of about 40+ in the current parliament most of which are communists about 39 or 40 of them. There's a couple of radical greens from Scandanvia who've attached themselves to the group otherwise. The most left wing of the mainstream parties from the UK for instance (Plaid and SNP) are affiliated to the mainstream green group, to help you set your compass. The French, Italian, Portugese and Spanish will in all likelihood increase their communist representation as will the Greeks and some of the Eastren countries. Surprisingly, the Dutch are also starting to grow a movement and could sneak a few seats yet. I think it's unlikely that the Communists will see a fall in their vote across the continenet though

The far right don't have enough to form a group and sit unaffiliated even though they're largely made up of the French National Front, and the remnants of the Italian North League which I think has splintered into some tricolor flame type party or something. Austria and Holland might have a couple of neo fascists, but otherwise you've got a couple of nationalist parties from Slovenia and Poland I think. In any event, the 'odds and sods' parties that can't form a group from the extreme right are pretty well dominated by the French NF who account for about 33% of the entire fascist composition in the parliament
 
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