Famous Name

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Famous Name is a winner of 6 listed races and 8 Group 3 races, 10 of which have come at his home from home at Leopardstown. Tomorrow in the 2.20 Sandown he steps up to Group 2 company again. He has contested 3 Group 2 races and 9 Group 1 races without success. With Dubawi Gold, a Group 2 winner who has been mixing it in Group 1 company, opposing along with the unexposed Group 3 winner Questioning, I see no reason why Famous Name is not the greatest lay of all time at 7/4.
 
I'm amazed that he hasn't won a Group 2.I think Dubawi Gold is a tricky customer who makes hard work of winning.
 
Given that John Gosden said that the Group 3 Gordon Richard Stakes being run on Saturday would probably come too soon for Questioning after he beat Twice Over, what can we make of him running a day earlier in a Group 2? I'm greatly confused.
 
As a horse capable of running to the low 120s Famous Name goes into the race top rated. The RP betting forecast has him at 9/2 third favourite behind DG and Questioning. I know he's seven now and yes he seems stuck on Group 3s, but I'd have to go along with Luke on this and give him a chance on heavy going at that sort of price (..if it's ever available).
 
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Why is Questioning shorter in the betting than Penitent on their last meeting?
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Questioning was hampered at Doncaster and ran more than 20lb better than that on his most recent appearance when beating Twice Over at Newmarket.
 
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SteveM said:
Questioning was hampered at Doncaster and ran more than 20lb better than that on his most recent appearance when beating Twice Over at Newmarket.
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20lbs? Really? I thought Penitent had to come around the long way in that race. Do you see a bet in the race?
 
SteveM said:
As a horse capable of running to the low 120s Famous Name goes into the race top rated. The RP betting forecast has him at 9/2 third favourite behind DG and Questioning. I know he's seven now and yes he seems stuck on Group 3s, but I'd have to go along with Luke on this and give him a chance on heavy going at that sort of price (..if it's ever available).
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Famous Name is 2.92 to lay. Very short.
 
Famous Name 1) will relish the conditions 2) is joint top rated 3) is race fit 4) uncomplicated ride 5) Always runs his race .

Deserving favourite

No bet race
 
On The Bridle said:
Famous Name 1) will relish the conditions 2) is joint top rated 3) is race fit 4) uncomplicated ride 5) Always runs his race .

Deserving favourite

No bet race
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Famous Nane 1) is a 7yo 2) Sharestan is overrated on a line through Northgate and should have beat him LTO. 3) He is 5/15 away from Leopardstown 4) Questioning is unexposed and Dubawi Gold has similar form in G1 to Famous Name. 5) He's 2.92, yes 2.92 to lay.
 
Questioning is almost certainly overrated for beating an unfit Twice Over (hadn't raced in gp3 since his renaissance in 09) and 2 horses bordering on listed class. Possibly races here as an early season gp2 is his best chance of winning one.**
For mine, any of Dubawi Gold's 4 runs prior to Meydan is better form than the others can muster, and fitness shouldn't be a problem given his trainer's record in the race, so it's just a question of whether he goes on the ground.
Given he sauntered home at Goodwood and there's plenty of soft ground form in his pedigree, I reckon he will, and 11/4 underestimates him by a fair margin.


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** Having said that, Q doesn't have a penalty here, whereas he would have 3lb tomorrow.
 
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Drifted out to 3.35 now. I laid for £100 at 2.88 last night, will back it back at 3.4, and put an in running lay back at about 2.7 for later.
 
reet hard said:
Questioning is almost certainly overrated for beating an unfit Twice Over...
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This is not necessary the case (as Twice Over was rated well below his best at Newmarket), but even if Questioning is overrated on Newmarket form he is certainly better than his Doncaster form, as he has bettered that on no less than seven occasions, indeed he has only run worse twice and one of those was on his debut (which he won).
 
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I'm going to have to come down on the side of Famous Name here. DG does have his Goodwood Group 2 win to recommend him, but I've a feeling it is DG who is flattered on ratings after a string of fourths at Group 1 level behind good horses who were winning with plenty in hand.

I fear we won't get much of a price on Famous Name though who looks like starting nearer favourite than forecast third favourite.
 
SteveM said:
I fear we won't get much of a price on Famous Name though who looks like starting nearer favourite than forecast third favourite.
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For a horse who is win less in 12 attempts when upped in grade he is a horrific price.

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SlimChance said:
For a horse who is win less in 12 attempts when upped in grade he is a horrific price.
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That's just a stat though and it may not have much meaning. Fact is if he reproduces his best form (and he's pretty consistent) the others will have to run better than they have before to win. Maybe they can, but I can't see any real evidence that either Q or DG will do that.
 
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