Five best Led Zeppelin Tracks

Euronymous said:
It's your age not the music. It might not seem as magical but at it's best some of the music around now is as good as it was back in the day. It just doesn't seem to matter as much to most people as they age though.
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I still love listening to music..and i do like some of the newer stuff..still have a gander at Jools Holands show..but you can't beat when you are 17 with one of these little beauties in your mit

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When it said "to be retained", you took that very seriously! I do regret not keeping my 'Jimi Hendrix Experience' badge handed out as a promotion by a street canvasser all those years ago. Truth was, I hadn't a clue who Jimi or his experience was back then, or whether I'd like to have it!
 
krizon said:
When it said "to be retained", you took that very seriously! I do regret not keeping my 'Jimi Hendrix Experience' badge handed out as a promotion by a street canvasser all those years ago. Truth was, I hadn't a clue who Jimi or his experience was back then, or whether I'd like to have it!
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yes - very seriously:)

£1 was a lot then as well..paid 1.25 to see floyd..75p was for Tull I think

got all my concert stubs in an old cassette case

i'm a hoarder anyway - still got 2 years worth of "Goal" magazine in proper binders from 1968+1969..anyone remember the Goal mag?

that badge would be worth a bob or two now..I love Hendrix obviously
 
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have a gander at this Clive..this is from Omnibus TV prog..a shpw not known for highlighting rock music at that time...Jack Bruce & Ginger Baker were jazzers before Cream..one of Ginger's fav drummers is Art Blakey as well.

This is 1968..the start of stadium rock with proper equipment..check out the Marshalls..it must have been loud in there:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzUW-j_EgiI

this guy has souped the sound up a bit..from the DVD..same clips but not exactly same as Omnibus show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JFjYzuXesw&feature=related
 
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Off to Antiques Roadshow with you, EC - all those stubs and concert memorabilia may be worth a few squid to the serious collector (although you sound pretty serious yourself). Don't talk to me about hoarders - my cousin's husband throws out nothing - still got all kinds of motor racing mags from 40-odd years ago, to her despair!
 
krizon said:
Off to Antiques Roadshow with you, EC - all those stubs and concert memorabilia may be worth a few squid to the serious collector (although you sound pretty serious yourself). Don't talk to me about hoarders - my cousin's husband throws out nothing - still got all kinds of motor racing mags from 40-odd years ago, to her despair!
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don't know what they would be worth tbh - i could never part with them though..they are part of a great point in my life - music was a lot to me between ages of 12-16..great days..would love to just go to one concert from the past

maybe thats another thread......if you could time travel..what concert would you like to have been at?
 
I thought I went to a gig, not a concert as such, played by Pink Floyd in Torquay, somewhere around 1967-8, when I lived there. Now I think it might just've been a knock-off because there were only a few hundred there, in a smallish hall. I tried to find their playlists from that era and couldn't see Torquay listed, so God knows who I saw! I'd like to have seen Jimi, Queen, The Beatles, the Stones, and also no doubt Jacko in concert - I understand that his were amazing sights. I'd also like to have seen Tina Turner strutting round the stage - a real old belter, no fuss, no muss - just grinding out the good stuff.

I also suspect that back then, I'd have enjoyed Metallica and maybe Megadeth - my Mother was a big fan of the first, but only via cassette! One of our much younger friends was amazed to find one among Nat King Cole, Jean Sablon and Bachman Turner Overdrive!
 
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When The Levee Breaks
Kasmir
Ten Years Gone
Babe I'm Gonna Leave You
Stairway To Heaven

I still love Stairway but could not listen to it for years due to all the hype. I can play it now though. :)

Jimmy page was a right flirt, but that never put me off their music. ;)
 
Isinglass said:
I am a Zeppelin fan, however this site is VERY interesting. I knew that the first album was heavily influenced by others but I did nto know it was quite this close.

I still love the album though and think it must be one of their very best.

Anyhow, take a listen to this.

http://bobbyowsinski.blogspot.com/2...d:+BobbyOwsinskisBlog+(Bobby+Owsinski's+Blog)
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if you read some of the zep forums this one comes up regularly.

Led Zep aren't the olny band to use other material and make a modern..for the time ...version.

Babe I'm Gonna Leave You is listed as.. Trad arr.. on the album for instance

I think Jimmy was a bit naughty and unfair..but most musicians do this. I think to compare the Muddy Waters versions with the Led Zep ones is a bit odd..do they really sound like zeps versions?

the Eddie Cochrane one is scraping the barrel isn't it?

Whole Lotta Love is based on.. you need love..but is it really exactly like it?

Cream did use blues records on their first album..but they did credit the writers and they were obviously the same songs.

I think many blues bands used many ideas they heard on those early blues albums..there was a culture of swapping those albums between each other in the early sixties..they were very influencial records.

I do think though that JP didn't pay the correct dues at the time...no doubt about that..but some of this ..comparison..game is based on jealousy

to say these records are exactky like the zep versions is a bit silly to me
 
Yes, of course, nothing is totally original after all of these years, just interesting that Zep were so naughty not to credit. And pissed this guy off enough that he went to the trouble to make this video too.

There are some early things like this with the Stones too aren't there?
 
Isinglass said:
Yes, of course, nothing is totally original after all of these years, just interesting that Zep were so naughty not to credit. And pissed this guy off enough that he went to the trouble to make this video too.

There are some early things like this with the Stones too aren't there?
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yes Stones nicked stuff according to interviews with Keith Richard..it was those early blues albums..they were like gold..thats all these guys listened to..they were bound to get ideas. But those 60's English blues bands made a lot of money for some of those original artists and got them over here touring when they were old men..they got them recognition.

i can't stick up for JP re not crediting people..but..at what point do you credit them..with Cream..they took original songs and made their version of them..never hid the fact and gave credit..in fact Willie Dixons widow benefitted greatly from Cream recording "I'm So Glad".

I think both Cream and Zep were expected to come up with material pretty quickly on their first albums..hence why the songs weren't totally original...and in Creams case never pretended otherwise.

Remember George Harrison?..My Sweet Lord..for instance...that was so like the song he got the idea from..that you would have to credit the original writer..but he didn't.

Same with The Verve..nicking Andrew Loog Oldhams arrangement of.. "Last Time"..from 1967....Bitter Sweet Symphony was nigh on an exact copy..check that one out on you tube.
 
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Grant was indeed a very interesting character, he took good care of the boys, but also had weird ideas about exactly what that might entrail. Same kind of story about Elvis and his manager.

I had to work with Peter Grant and found him VERY scary. Especially when he was drunk, or .....

I'll have to read this book. Does it include the story of the 'lost' money and the fight backstage at Oakland Coliseum?

PS Forgot to say Chris Welch is probably the right man to write such a book. Don't bother reading Stairway To Heaven the rubbish book by ex road manager Richard Cole. He wrote it in desperate times when he needed the money more than he cared about his friends, and he gave the publishers what they wanted - trash. He's a changed man, clean now for many years.
 
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Isinglass said:
Grant was indeed a very interesting character, he took good care of the boys, but also had weird ideas about exactly what that might entrail. Same kind of story about Elvis and his manager.

I had to work with Peter Grant and found him VERY scary. Especially when he was drunk, or .....

I'll have to read this book. Does it include the story of the 'lost' money and the fight backstage at Oakland Coliseum?

PS Forgot to say Chris Welch is probably the right man to write such a book. Don't bother reading Stairway To Heaven the rubbish book by ex road manager Richard Cole. He wrote it in desperate times when he needed the money more than he cared about his friends, and he gave the publishers what they wanted - trash. He's a changed man, clean now for many years.
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there isn't a lot about the stolen money oddly..but Oakland is covered well..very dark..something Grant regretted very much later in life..he was out of order on that one.

you must read it..be interested to see what you make of it..i couldn't put it down.

there are some things in it that puzzle me..re how the money was split

very early in the book..Grant says of JP..if you wanted to bump him off..throw twopence in front of a London bus

then re the 75 concerts at Earls Court..which must have been massive money earners..Bonham says he was paid hundreds not thousands for those gigs???

thats odd seeing as in 72 they were making 100k just at one gig in the US..tahts some money isn't it for then..its not bad for now

I get the impression that Page and Grant distributed the money as they thought..i might be wrong

Page comes across as the boss by some way i think.

there are some hilarious scenes described ....superb
 
I'll have to read it, goes on the 'to get' list, thanks for telling us about it.

I worked for the concert promoter whose staff took the beating. So I was backstage when it all happened. It was shocking, and sad. I was totally gutted. Far too many peaceful musicians seemed to surround themselves with brutal people who were just thugs. To be honest there were so many drugs going down in those days that nothing should have surpised me, but I was very young.

I'd like to say that punk ushered in a new era where bands knew better .... but I'd be lying! What did Townshend say? 'Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss.'

Yes, I think you are right about the distribution of money, Page and Grant very much in charge, that is until the drugs they used prevented them from functioning and then Plant & Jonesy picked up pieces. Bands used to get paid a kind of salary for tours, an agreed amount. In the beginning Plant & Bonzo were babies, and Page & Grant had a lot more experience, it was always Jimmy's band. Love the comment about the money under the bus! Too true ..... really made me laugh that one.

I think a lot of water went under many bridges then, which accounts for how Page & Plant fall in and out of love with each other , and John Paul Jones through the years.

You know that by the time of his death none of them were speaking to Grant? His wife had left him and he was a sad old man with none of the vision or the energy that had pulled him out of an ordinary background. I actually felt sorry for him. Drugs intensify everything, you burn out so quick and it ruins the best in us. hardly anyone who was there can remember much about those days .....

Shame about it all really, when you see it from inside it puts you off the rock scene altogether. But the music remains. And they did leave a great legacy.

I've got a book about the making of Zep IV and yet another written by Bonzo's little brother after he died. Both most interesting from different angles.
 
Isinglass said:
I'll have to read it, goes on the 'to get' list, thanks for telling us about it.

I worked for the concert promoter whose staff took the beating. So I was backstage when it all happened. It was shocking, and sad. I was totally gutted. Far too many peaceful musicians seemed to surround themselves with brutal people who were just thugs. To be honest there were so many drugs going down in those days that nothing should have surpised me, but I was very young.

I'd like to say that punk ushered in a new era where bands knew better .... but I'd be lying! What did Townshend say? 'Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss.'

Yes, I think you are right about the distribution of money, Page and Grant very much in charge, that is until the drugs they used prevented them from functioning and then Plant & Jonesy picked up pieces. Bands used to get paid a kind of salary for tours, an agreed amount. In the beginning Plant & Bonzo were babies, and Page & Grant had a lot more experience, it was always Jimmy's band. Love the comment about the money under the bus! Too true ..... really made me laugh that one.

I think a lot of water went under many bridges then, which accounts for how Page & Plant fall in and out of love with each other , and John Paul Jones through the years.

You know that by the time of his death none of them were speaking to Grant? His wife had left him and he was a sad old man with none of the vision or the energy that had pulled him out of an ordinary background. I actually felt sorry for him. Drugs intensify everything, you burn out so quick and it ruins the best in us. hardly anyone who was there can remember much about those days .....

Shame about it all really, when you see it from inside it puts you off the rock scene altogether. But the music remains. And they did leave a great legacy.

I've got a book about the making of Zep IV and yet another written by Bonzo's little brother after he died. Both most interesting from different angles.
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I've just today finished the book by Bonzo's brother - a nice read from a different perspective

did you work for Bill Graham then?

yes there has been stuff go off between the 3 of them since Bonzo left us..they left JPJ out of things altogether when they did the Unledded stuff..he even made a comment about it when they were inducted into the hall of fame....along the lines of receiving no calls from "friends". I like JPJ..seems as straight as a dye..and obviously a great musician..producer..seems a great bloke.

Jimmy Page is quite a hard guy to weigh up..he is very precious about which performances he sees fit for us to see..not putting out the O2 DVD is an example..not sure whats going off with that

The concert i went to at Sheffield gets a mention in that book re Bonzo..it says Planty had influenza at Sheffield..just my bloody luck..I read somewhere they got a chill when their [Bonzo+Plant] car broke down on the motorway on way to gig...I remember being very disappointed at the time..they were bloody loud mind you...I can still feel the anticipation when they took to the stage in the dark..bar for the lights on the amps..you knew that the dark shapes up there were actually..Led Zeppelin..then Bonzo came in with the intro to Rock & Roll..all the stage just exploded with light then and you were straight into a freight train hitting you. I was 16 at the time..it left a great impression experiencing something like that

That was the first concert i attended where they had a crush barrier at the City Hall..in fact of the concerts i attended over a 2 year period it was the only concert i ever saw them at.

great days..we will never see that sort of innovation in music again i fear.

I've read Hammer Of The Gods..thinking of getting this next

http://www.amazon.co.uk/When-Giants...=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277931006&sr=1-3

reviews look good
 
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I got "It Might Get Loud" when it came out..don't know if you have seen it..some really cool stuff in it..Jack White & The Edge are like schoolboys watching Page in places..particularly these two clips

this is really cool..turn this up on the headphones :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODidAgdL40Y&feature=related

watch the other two's faces when he kicks this off..love how the Edge gets up to get a real close look:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfU7QK1GB2o

then all of them together

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZlCz1hH-io&feature=related


I like this one as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRBsgRYPR-4&feature=related
 
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Yes, I worked for one of Bill's ticket outlets and floated wherever I could find anything that needed doing that might get me to concerts free. I was underage and they kept a very tight rein on me! He was a great guy to work for, ran his business like a family firm. Looked after everyone.

Thanks for the links, had a great time bouncing about .... ah God, the memories .... :)

I have It Might Get Loud, really enjoy it.

Somewhere in one of the books Page talks about the power of the music, and it was pretty impressive as you said. Being at one of their gigs was like the ocean washing over you.

Plant often had a sore throat, and was slightly fragile which you'd never know from his stage persona. When he was talking he had a habit of clearing his throat all the time. He still has a kind of croaky voice from time to time. He used to smoke a lot which did not help and to counteract it he would take tea with 3 sugars, and in later days lots of honey.

I loved them, there will never be another like them.
 
Watching some of those clips again I have to say that I think both Page and Plant are happier now than for many years, seem finally free of the demons, and that Page is playing as well as he did in the beginning. He had a few dark years towards the end where he lost it, and then for years never touched a guitar. Still an amazing talent. Can be very demanding, cruel etc but loves music so much and is pretty humble about what he can do. I am told from a reliable source that he has been clean for a long time now.

And yes, Jonesy a really lovely guy and I have no idea at all why they left him out of things for so long. He kept himself to himself on tour and was never involved in any of the bad things that happened.

There was a thing with Robert about how when his son died on the last US tour only Bonzo accompanied him home. He was deeply hurt that Page and Jones stayed behind on holiday as if nothing had happened. But that does not explain why Jimmy ignored Jones. Only thing I can think of is the not wanting to be a Zep reunion.

I just watched a program about Steve Winwood and Traffic and they seem to have treated Dave Mason a bit like that too, asked him to leave the band then asked him back for an album, but would not admit he was in the band. People are odd!
 
Was just chatting to someone from those long gone days and they told me that Jimmy has a book coming out in September.

Maybe all of our questions will be answered at last .... it's not often rock Gods wtrite their own books. :)

Altho how the heck he is going to remember anything is beyond me. And then it would be great to hear Plants version of things, but he does not kiss and tell.

Photos appear to be by Ross Halfin who started Page's daughter Scarlet off on her photographer career. Do you know her stuff?

The book -

http://www.genesis-publications.com/emails/jun10/Jimmy-Page-Delivery-Update.html
 
I'm sure this book is extremely expensive - read something on the official Zep forum - hundreds of quid - maybe thats the first ones - very pricey - the 2p under London bus is coming to mind :)

you must have had an interesting life being connected to Bill Grahams crew..fascinating.

i didn't know about the Traffic thing . I like Steve Winwood..another great talent

I really liked Steve Marriott from those times as well- probably one our best ever rock singers. Planty got some of his phrasing for Whole Lotta Love from one of the Small Faces earleir stabs at You Need Love.
 
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