Frankel and the International Stakes

reet hard said:
No need to watch it again, RVW travelled all over him until below the distance.
That was when AOB decided he was a miler, as is clearly evidenced by his subsequent programme.
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What unutterable bilge . Probably one of the daftest things ever posted on this forum :rolleyes:

Sea The Stars was dossing all the way up the straight and then left him for dead . Jimmy Fortune was riding RVW and that is how he saw it but evidently you know better .:ninja:

As for why RVW was dropped back to a mile - it is self-evident why - two more thrashings would have awaited RVW in the Juddmonte and Irish Champion !
 
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"ridden and hard pressed 1f out, dug deep and fended off challenger last 150yds"

Seems the RP racereader knows better, also.
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reet hard said:
I recall an interviewer asking John Dunlop if a horse (trying a new trip) would stay, and he replied "We don't really know till we've tried them" which is as honest as it gets, and well worth storing for future information.
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....and anyone who even knows how many furlongs are in a mile would rather have a horse with their local newsagent than John Dunlop these days. I'm not sure the man even knows how to tie his own shoe laces anymore.
 
At the moment Dunlop would do anything for a winner - sad and slow demise in recent seasons.

RVW definitely did not travel all over him. They were both going equally as well and when they were let down STS showed he was the better horse, again. As he showed over 1m in the guineas (When he travelled all over him and battered him) and in the Derby over 1m4f (when he travelled all over him and battered him). Not sure how you deduce from that three race sequence that RVW had any advantage over STS at any distance.
 
Oh, come on, Aragorn.
The Guineas' form, in this context, is an irrelevance, as RVW ran well below form (probably with the Derby in mind) and showed he's much better than that many times since.
The implication (not yours) that John Dunlop knows little about racing because he's not training winners currently is plainly absurd.
 
QUOTE=reet hard;485020]Dear, oh dear!:rolleyes:
The York International is the least stamina testing of all the British and Irish 10f gp1's, which is why Frankel's taking his first step up in it, and why it's often contested by milers such as Rip Van Winkle and Giant's Causeway.
John Gosden's smart enough not to chase F's arse in it, when there's a valuable, and much more suitable, 10f race in Ireland which also ties in nicely as an Arc prep.
AO'B intimated (after the King George) that SNA's best distance may be 10f, and he would be much more likely to get his favoured fast ground at York than Leopardstown.
Cirrus - I wouldn't know.[/QUOTE]

http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=198921

Would that count as the treble up?:p
 
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There is a spooky parallel between this race tomorrow and the first renewal in 1971. Frankel is named after Bobby Frankel who as we all know died a few years ago. I suppose it could be said he was an employee of Khalid Abdullah.

Roberto was owned by John Galbraith, who was also the owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates at the time. He named the horse after the Pirates hall of fame centre fielder Roberto Clemente who died in a plane crash whilst delivering medical supplies to earthquake victims in Nicaragua.
 
Oh aye....fascinating as f*ck, likes. :blink:

Only pulling yer leg, Euro. Half-deiseled here and found myself intrigued by this Frankel yoke.

To be honest? It brings me a certain joy, that the Flatulent Tendency have found a genuine superhero. In much the same way as I'm always delighted to see a small, starving, African child with a bowl of Ready Break, rather than a fly, for breakfast. :whistle:

Kidding apart, you all seem very unified in the greatness of said Frankel, and I may consent to have a peak at the Juddmonte (it's still sponsored by Juddmonte, right?) myself, this weekend.

Thereby hopefully bogeying the *******. :cool:

:D
 
Not to mention that Brigadier Gerard was unbeaten at that stage, and the winner was trained by another O'Brien.:lol:
Fascinating race tactically, and while I think Frankel will win, I do believe SNA will ruffle his feathers more than many are anticipating.
 
reet hard said:
Not to mention that Brigadier Gerard was unbeaten at that stage, and the winner was trained by another O'Brien.:lol:
Fascinating race tactically, and while I think Frankel will win, I do believe SNA will ruffle his feathers more than many are anticipating.
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I actually can't decide if I want him to win or SNA to lower his colours.
 
Robin Hood. 100/1 E/W 3 places without.

He's going to go off like a scalded cat. If they let him get away, only Frankel good enough to catch him?

Pigeon-logic, but more fun than backing a 1/8 shot.
 
betsmate said:
Robin Hood. 100/1 E/W 3 places without.

He's going to go off like a scalded cat. If they let him get away, only Frankel good enough to catch him?

Pigeon-logic, but more fun than backing a 1/8 shot.
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He's just a bad horse though? Once he stops he'll be run over.
 
Frankel under 5 lengths think St Nick is going to give him a right scare the way this race is gonna be run.
 
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