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Steve T

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Some decent races over the next couple of days, a thread for any thoughts.

The highlight for many will be the Ayr Gold Cup. The inevitable discussion will run from now until post time about the draw, but on todays evidence it seemed pretty fair across the track. It will be interesting to see the Bronze and Silver editions in the build up to it and their effect on the betting market, currently headed by Evens and Odds & Redford at 8/1.

I've no particular strong fancy for the race, though was disappointed to see Jaconet withdrawn, especially with the ground drying up... but that might help Hitchens run a big race from his high draw and comes from a very shrewd stable.

One I do have a fancy for is Class is Class in the John Smiths handicap at Newbury on Saturday. 3rd in one of the hottest handicaps of the season at Newmarket behind Firebet and seen only once since, finishing runner-up to the improving Whispering Gallery. Staying on well in his try over this trip and further, I would hope that he could be close enough to a strongly run race to be seen to good effect.

Not to forget the Friday cards, Puff was ran what I thought was a respectable race last time out and seemed fancied to do so. The stable seems in good enough form at the moment, giving more encouragement for Look Here backers over at Newbury, although at around 11/8 a little too short for me.

Saboteur is interesting in the Sprint at Newmarket, well backed last time at Kempton, came up against a stablemate who was mentioned on here as a positive and a nice newcomer from the Gosden yard and was not beaten far. Looks a step up against the field tomorrow, but may have improved for the recent effort.
 
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A good card at Newbury today, and the Arc trial is quite interesting. Doctor Fremantle is not well treated at the weights, in contrast to Look Here, who looks comfortably the best horse if she can re-produce her best form. However, there are slight doubts about the ground, pace and whether she will be fully tuned up, as they are using this as a prep for the Arc or Opera. Campanologist may be the one to benefit, and it's not difficult in this small field to see Frankie dictating fron the front.

The colts conditions stakes often throws up a good horse, and Ameer made a highly promising debut, and being by Monsun, he should have little trouble stepping up to a mile.

Huntdown is a horse I like a lot, but was disappointing last time at York. He should go a lot better today, but Stimulation runs without a penalty, and if last week's race was about removing the rust (as the trainer warned beforehand), then he should be odds on for this, as opposed to 11/8.
 
I priced up the Arc trial and was surprised at how short Look Here is trading. This will inevitably be a tactical affair and I can see Dettori controlling it from the front with Moore in touch on Dr Freemantle. Look Here needs a strongly run 12f to produce her group 1 form and I don't think she'll get it today. The other two aren't that far behind and i'm atking the filly on.

In conditions race I like both of the front two and i'm hoping that the Tregoning horse gets back into a shorter price given his record in the race.

In the 3.55 (Which is a good race for the grade) Stimulation and Tariq against the field for me. The former is a class act and after a pipe opener should be tough to beat. Tariq has been running over a mile most of the season but has been given a break and the return to 7f should help. If he re-discovers his form (Gallops work suggest he's in good nick) he should be thereabouts. Can't understand why Frankie has chosen Huntdown, I would be on Ashram personally and have laid Huntdown at 3's because I don't think he sees out the 7f and that is far too short a price on what he has achieved.

Looking forward to a good day's racing.
 
Huntdown has a higher OR, and Ashram looks slightly exposed. Huntdown can still and hopefully will progress to a 115-116 horse, imho. Agree it's close, but I would have made the same choice as Frankie.
 
It's about opinions! I just don't think Huntdown see's out the 7f that well, lus he hasn't won since his maiden. I was more than happy to lay him at the price. I'd be more nervous laying Ashram at 8's who is proven over 7f and comes off the back of a win.

Personally I think the whole race is a lot closer than the betting suggests although Stimulation is a worthy favourite.
 
I think Dr Freemantle is definitely the most interesting of these....type of race King Of Rome could grab a place in. To me it looks like there is plenty of factors against Look Here to finish in the first two or three.
 
I think Dr Freemantle is definitely the most interesting of these....type of race King Of Rome could grab a place in. To me it looks like there is plenty of factors against Look Here to finish in the first two or three.

Surely Look Here has to win this? Are you worried about the going for her?
 
I'm with Gal as i've said above. I can't see the race being run to suit and she needs ideal conditions to show her best. There is no confirmed front runner in the race so Dettori is likely to lead given campanologists racing style. I can see him steadying from the front and without a searching test I don't think the filly will have the gears to cope with either of the other two main protagonists. Don't agree about King of Rome, personally I think he'll be well beaten.
 
I've no particular strong fancy for the race, though was disappointed to see Jaconet withdrawn, especially with the ground drying up...

Having backed Jaconet a/p for Ayr before the Portland, it looked like 6f might be too far. She'd never have survived the cut either, I don't think, but at least if she'd been kept in I'd have had my stake returned.:mad:
 
Race almost worked out as I expected but I thought Look Here and Doctor Fremantle would be in each others positions during the race.
 
Good call Gal! I thought she would do it but the good Doctor got up to grab her on the line... one of those that could have gone either way. Noticed she ran in snatches. DF came at her very fluently.
 
It's about opinions! I just don't think Huntdown see's out the 7f that well, lus he hasn't won since his maiden. I was more than happy to lay him at the price. I'd be more nervous laying Ashram at 8's who is proven over 7f and comes off the back of a win.

Personally I think the whole race is a lot closer than the betting suggests although Stimulation is a worthy favourite.

Great call Aragorn. Ashram was a horse I really liked last year and backed for the Guineas, and this is the first race this year I more or less let him go without thinking he had some kind of chance!
 
I see the bookies are up to their tricks in the Ayr Gold Cup. All bar the three rank outsiders and one other rag are being shoretned up by at least one bookie and something like ten of the first twelve in the market are being shortened pretty much across the board. You could almost guarantee that when the pricewise odds table appears in the morning you'l get better odds than are being shown just now, guaranteed for a limited time in the shops.

By the way, does anyone know when the guarantees finish with each bookie's shop?
 
Ayr – Saturday 19th September 2009

2.05 – The Ayr Silver Gold Cup

The key to the Silver and Gold Cups does come down to the draw but the key to the draw is often more about pace and its key to find what draw the pace is with. Of the 27 runners, I would establish a split of around 16, the two previous sprints at the meeting have gone low, so in the silver I expect 1 – 16, to go far side, and a smaller field of 11 coming near side from 17 upwards.

I will now establish those pace angles and the following like to be on the pace from their draws, I will take the 13 which chase the pace;

Low – Pusey Street Lady (1), Thebes (10), Invisible Force (15), Quest For Success (9), & Tajneed (12)

High – Cape Vale (26), My Gacho (20), Joseph Henry (24), Aye Aye Digby (18), Red Cape (22), Six Of Hearts (19), Horatio Carter (23) & Johannes (25)

Looking at the above I can easily see that there is more pace on the stands side and with this I’m going to go against the trends and look for horses drawn 13 +, as I hope a few of those between 13 and 18 have looked on the pace angles and seen that there is more pace stands side and will decide to go against the trends of yesterday.

Johannes may have disappointed last time but I expect that was down to the fact it was 5f and his figure of 73 wasn’t far off the best of those drawn high. Recording an 81 and a 77 on recent starts over 6f on quick ground, he really isn’t out of this and a return to 6f should see him in the mix.

Some punters will be hoping that Prescription is just what the doctor has ordered and despite getting beat last time out she put up a career best with a figure of 74. That’s a fair level here and she got caught on heels coming round the bend that day. The horse who beat her Jaconet was a leading fancy for the Gold Cup for me if he got in, so I wouldn’t be keen on writing her off and I personally feel a straight 6f will bring about improvement. She is a big player.

My Gacho, Joseph Henry and Cape Vale love to blaze from the front and all of them are not too far off these on the figures but I’m struggling to see something making all here and that opens the door to something which will close the pace down, or sprint late.

Protector (16) could well be a massive player and was 6th at this meeting last season he also managed a sharp 4th when producing a figure of 70 at Doncaster in Conditions company at the end of the season. Below par on a couple of starts this season, the return to quicker ground will really suit him and having once been rated 103, he has slipped to a cracking mark of 90 which see’s him a player today.

Skhilling Spirit (21) just missed the cut for the Gold Cup but he is a player in this despite top weight providing he gets out the stalls. He has been looking intriguing off his mark for a while and his 6th last time at York hinted a return to form could be on its way. Having run to a 78 in the past, a return to his best form would see him go close.

Mister Hardy (27) has disappointed in his last three races over 7f, but reverting to 6f where he has figured 78 in the past I wouldn’t like to write him off. He’ll need luck in running hugging in the rail but he is a possible.

Overall I want to take four from this and I will be looking high, Johannes is one I expect to be up there from the word go and can be a solid ew, whilst Protector & Prescription look ones who will relish conditions and have profiles which could easily see them go close.

However MISTER HARDY may need the breaks from stall 27, but he won’t be miles off the pace, has the stands rail to bag and finishes strongly. He loves this ground, and stays further, so he’ll be finishing and his best form on quick ground and 6f gives him only 1 or 2lb to find with the best of these. He has Freddie Tylicki on board taking 3lb off and with the Fahey team in flying form he looks set to claim this big race.

Advised bets

1.5pts Ew Mister Hardy @ 25/1 (5 places general)

0.75pts Ew Prescription @ 8/1 (Bet 365, 5 places) & Protector @ 40/1 (Stan James, 5 places)

0.5pts Ew Johannes @ 16/1 (Bet 365, 5 places)


3.10 – Ayr Gold Cup

Like the Silver Cup pace becomes the main angle once more and again I use my pace stakes to look at where the quickest 13 are to decide which side I want to pin my flag to, we’ll split at 1 – 15 for low, and 16 plus high;

Low – Abbondanza (14), Mac Gille Eoin (12), Knot In Wood (9), Wi Dud (10), Evens And Odds (3), Garnica (5), Advanced (4), Signor Peltro (8), & Intrepid Jack (13)

High – Madame Trop Vote (19), Fol Hollow (25), Brave Prospector (20) & Magic Cat (18).

Sadly for those drawn high this time, I just don’t see any way of them getting the call and I would expect to see Fol Hollow to bag the rail and probably do well from the front.

However I must look low here, and I’m going to take the split at 15.

Of those low, I expect a big run from Jimmy Styles, the gaps didn’t come for him last time out and he flashed home late into 3rd, in what was a strong handicap. This quick ground 6f should be ideal and in good form he looks a player.

Evens And Odds looks the best of the Dandy Nicholls sextet but for me Advanced is a big player on his Great St Wilfred effort and he was narrowly beaten on what was probably tacky ground. Well drawn here, Amy Ryan seems to have built a good partnership with the horse and he looks very solid ew.

Zidane hinted there was more to come last time and with the Fanshawe horses coming back into form, I’m quietly confident that he is capable of running a big race from stall 1, he’ll be looking for room up the far rail but that could well be the place to be for me.

Knot In Wood really does deserve a big one and is always a solid player in these sprints, whilst Striking Spirit has the appeal of a horse probably laid out for this.

Signor Peltro will track the pace also and he has a good finishing boot. I feel he was unlucky last time and with that I feel he may not be badly handicapped still and this flat 6f will really suit him, he is a player for me.

There could be a local success however with Hogmaneigh and Jim Goldie. He is well handicapped on his best form and comes here with every chance, I rate him a massive player on his former form and his run at Epsom two starts ago wouldn’t be a million miles off what’s needed here. An abundance of pace he could come sprinting through when it matters. Write him off at your own peril.


Overall its quick and taxing but for me something tells me that Hogmaneigh, Advanced and Jimmy Styles all have big races to run from chasing the pace and being able to finish. I’m keen on the chances of Signor Peltro and he is another player but I’ve had my eye on ZIDANE for some time and with the yard coming back to form, quick ground and a strong pace to chase, I see him a major player here. Everything for him has a tick in the box and having been rated 109 this time last year, a mark of 102 could be ideal. His run in listed company last time at Newmarket makes him a big player and on the surface he loves, I can see him taking this big prize.


Advised Bets

2pts Ew Zidane @ 20/1 (Boylesports, 5 places)

0.75pts Ew, Advanced @ 14/1 (Stan James, 5 places), Jimmy Styles @ 16/1 (5 places, general)

0.5pts Ew Signor Peltro @ 16/1 (Stan James, 5 places), Hogmaneigh @ 18/1 (5 places, general)

Good Luck

Chris
 
Key
Last 3F/Speed Rating/Distance/Points/Percentage

Newbury 220
Radiohead
33.94/ 94.49 /5F /1.79 /89.38%

Awzaan
33.85 /86.74/ 6F /2.34 /81.19%

Stargaze
35.07 /88.25/ 6F /2.38 /79.83%

Colonel Mac
36.63 /82.92/ 6F /2.63 /72.24%

Quarrell
36.94 /83.77/ 6F /2.64 /71.96%

Angel's Pursuit
37.16 /83.92/ 6F /2.65 /71.69%

Wisecraic
35.83/ 77.62 /6F /2.76 /68.84%

Radiohead is well in his right to be favourite for todays race after a fine effort in the Nunthorpe, the value in the race if you can call it value at 3-1 is Awzaan who's beaten the barrier of 80% which most 2yos seem to fail to do and could find extra improvement past Raidohead

Selection 1: Awzaan 3-1
Exacta: Awzaan, Radiohead


Newbury 250

Broomielaw
35.09 96.21 10F 3.64 96.15%

Class is Class
36.79 93.91 10F 3.91 89.51%

Cill Rialaig
35.68 89.87 10F 3.97 88.81%

Montaff*
36.27 88.62 10F 4.09 85.57%

Bazergan
36.78 89.12 10F 4.12 84.95%

Royal Destination
37.21 89.54 10F 4.15 84.43%

My Aunt Fanny
36.98 88.03 10F 4.2 83.33%

Press The Button
38.85 90.02 10F 4.31 81.20%

Kavachi
36.27 84.13 10F 4.31 81.20%

Laterly
37.99 86.29 10F 4.4 79.54%

Sweet Lightning
38.51 87.31 10F 4.41 79.36%

Kandidate
37.63 84.79 10F 4.44 78.82%

Logic Way
37.12 82.88 10F 4.47 78.29%

Almiqdaad
38.79 85.87 10F 4.51 77.60%

Charm School
37.23 81.88 10F 4.54 77.09%

Antinori
39.68 87.16 10F 4.55 76.92%

Bound By Honour
38.61 82.29 10F 4.69 74.62%

This looks a competitive race for sure but Broomielaw looks like he is a Group horse with 96% achieved last time out at Newmarket and has to be the bet here but don't disregard Class is Class or Cill Rialaig.

Selection 1: Broomielaw 7-1
Selection 2: Class is Class 7-1
Trifecta: Broomielaw, Class is Class, Cill Rialaig, Montaff (he could extremely well, best to be on safe side and add him in)



Ayr 235

Beyond Desire
35.41/ 91.14 /6F /2.33 /81.54%

She's A Character
37.81/ 81.92/ 7F /3.23 /77.39%

Music Show
35.76 /85.98 /6F /2.49 /76.30%

Distinctive
34.84 /81.96/6F /2.55 /74.50%

Jeanie Johnston
35.58/83.49 /6F /2.55 /74.50%

Hairspray
35.54 /81.22/ 6F /2.62 /72.51%

Amary
35.75 /81.54/ 6F /2.63 /72.24%

Astrophysical Jet
35.89 /81.28/ 6F /2.64 /71.96%

Midnight Martini
37.11/ 81.91 /6F /2.71 /70.11%

Conniption*
37.86 /82.6 /6F /2.75 /69.09%

Catbells
37.41/ 69.42 /6F /3.23 /58.82%

I am going to go for Connpition, even though the stats don't give her a chance I don't believe her Salisbury run tells the true story about her ability, drifting right handed she threw her chances away and after giving her a big build up on the website about her time on the clock and potential I am looking for her to do me a favour and show me what I know she can do.

Selection 1: Conniption 7-1
Exacta: Conniption, Beyond Desire


Ayr 310
Brave Prospector
35.41/ 96.18 /7F /2.57 /93.38%

Signor Peltro
35.12/ 94.23 /7F /2.6 /92.30%

Mac Gille Eoin
33.28/ 95.66 /6F /2.08/ 91.34%

Advanced
34.69 /98.59 /6F/ 2.11/ 90.04%

Redford
35.11 /91.19 /7F /2.69 /89.21%

Evens And Odds
34.42 /95.36 /6F /2.16 /87.96%

Hitchens
35.08/ 95.01/ 6F /2.21 /85.97%

Valery Borzov
34.57/ 93.36/ 6F /2.22 /85.58%

Skhilling Spirt
34.97 /94.31/ 6F /2.22 /85.58%

Fol Hollow
36.42 /96.75 /5F /1.88 /85.10%

Knot In Wood
36.21/ 96.64 /6F /2.24 /84.82%

Genki*
36.71/ 98.02 /6F /2.24 /84.82%

Barney McGrew
36.29/ 96.64/ 6F /2.25 /84.44%

Sonny Red
35.82 /94.26/ 5F /1.9 /84.20%

Everymanforhimself
35.02 /91.56/ 6F /2.29 /82.96%

Wi Dud
36.01/ 93.23 /5F /1.93 /82.90%

Arganil
36.31 /93.67/ 5F /1.93 /82.90%

Garnica*
39.01/ 93.73 /7F /2.91 /82.47%

Madame Trop Vite
35.85 /91.51 /5F /1.95 /82.05%

Jimmy Styles
35.28/ 91.19/ 6F /2.32 /81.89%

Intrepid Jack
36.47 /93.64/ 6F /2.33 /81.54%

Zidane
35.18 /89.99 /6F /2.34 /81.19%

Abbondanza
37.44/ 87.88 /7F /2.98 /80.53%

Blue Jack
36.26 /90.06/ 5F /2.01 /79.60%

Hogmaneigh
35.3 /83.28 /6F /2.54 /74.80%

Tombi
37.85 /83.05/ 6F /2.73 /69.59%


I am going to go for a high and low drawn horse with one that has a high 7f percentage and the other a high 6f percentage.

Selection 1: Brave Prospector 14-1
Selection 2: Mac Gillie Eoin 16-1
Trifecta: Brave Prospector, Mac Gillie Eoin, Signor Peltro
 
in the 1.25 at Catterick I'm fancying COLEPEPER

this is a poorish race..

Texas Queen looks a lay with th form of Channons 2yo this month [1/52]

Johannesgray is badly drawn and looks to be neding further on breeding

Yeadon - just keeps losing..even last time in a claimer

So Bazaar - looks exposed already

Colepeper looks obvious candidate to me..6.2 looks a bonus
 
in the 4.00 I think the fav Mufarrh could underperfom..

Dunlop 0/17 with his 2yo at present..

will lazily back Official Style + Pont Du Nuit as most likely winners
 
Thanks for sharing to those who've done the work. I backed Kalddune Kingdom last night so pricewise has told you all about him I suppose.
 
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