Horse Racing,, too many bad jockeys?


archie said:
I presume that you are part of the clued in gen z whatever that is.

Be that as it may, you asked for opinions and I gave mine based on 55 years gambling and 40 years ownership experience. You are, of course, fully entitled to your opinion although I think you are grossly undervaluing the contribution of journeymen (and women) jockeys who keep the game going for very little reward.
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Journeymen and women is fine, cheating is something else.

Giving your ride no chance of winning, out the back only making effort when race is over, getting boxed in intentionally, missing the break, ever notice how a few so called journey people have a habit of missing the break when stallsopen more than others

I suggest everyone should have a look at previous races where horses have landed a big touch from certain stables, it would turn you right off racing

I live in Ireland, I am amazed how the IRB haven't been investigated with so many trainers landing a touch
 
My daughter has no interest in horse racing but she has been absolutely buzzing after the last two Leopardstown student race days.
 
Tanlic said:
I know he's in the news but I have never been a fan of Keiren Shoemark. Someone should grab Rossa Ryan who is one of the best up and coming riders out there
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Jim Crowley, hé reminds mé só múch like Richard hills,, lost more races he should have won instead of winning more that he should have lost, just my opinion
 
Alfie1 said:


Journeymen and women is fine, cheating is something else.

Giving your ride no chance of winning, out the back only making effort when race is over, getting boxed in intentionally, missing the break, ever notice how a few so called journey people have a habit of missing the break when stallsopen more than others

I suggest everyone should have a look at previous races where horses have landed a big touch from certain stables, it would turn you right off racing

I live in Ireland, I am amazed how the IRB haven't been investigated with so many trainers landing a touch
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'Cheating' is all part and parcel of the game we love and most of us factor it into our betting.

I agree that in most midweek and lower level races only three or four - if that - are trying. It's why I focus on the more valuable weekend/festival races. There's far more chance of your horse trying and you eventually also get an inkling of whether another target down the line is the aim. And, of course, some trainers are given carte blanche by owners to allow their horses to run down the park for over a year to get their mark down to one that will have room to spare when the main target comes round.
 
LUKE said:
My daughter has no interest in horse racing but she has been absolutely buzzing after the last two Leopardstown student race days.
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Exactly, student days, went to Cork about 2 months ago, brought my 11yr old daughter who adores horses. Terrible day, students no interest in racing, loud as shite, screaming thinking when horses passed post first time that was the race yet it was a 2m hurdle. No pleasure for your ordinary decent punter
 
Now come on, guys, you know full well that every horse is trying it’s very best otherwise trainers/jockeys would be hauled before the stewards who would be imposing the most draconian penalties 😂
 
Over the years I've made my money from non trier,hard luck horses and jockeys riding them wrong.
My way as always been patience and willing to lose a bit to win a bit.
I'm not sure why you back horses Alfie.
 
LUKE said:
Would strongly disagree with you -Curley made some valid points and Big Mac was anxious to avoid confrontation.Curley had him over a barrel.
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Well there was no point Big Mac ranting over the top of Curley. That would have been horrendous. I found it cringing.
 
Outsider said:
Over the years I've made my money from non trier,hard luck horses and jockeys riding them wrong.
My way as always been patience and willing to lose a bit to win a bit.
I'm not sure why you back horses Alfie.
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I back horses to win, what your actually saying is your brilliant.
Listen, I'm on here for opinions and interesting perspectives
I'm not on here to entertain blow holes and read garbage from egotistical subscribers who want to tell the world how great they are.

Thanks for your response but take it somewhere else please
 
If the BHA limited all horse races to 2 runners a race my strike rate would still be under 5 percent at the moment. I haven't backed a winner for 5 weeks. Cartoons included. Fuck this. I need a woman to settle me down. Stick any human being on my horse and a monkey on the other horse and mine would still get beat.

I think this thread should have been entitled, 'horse racing, too many bad bookies', myself.

At least when you lose hard, if the sport benefits, and horses get some grass and polo mints, you can rest assured, you spunked your load on a good cause.

The idea some reptilians masquerading as human beings are stealing all the profits while the sport goes bankrupt is really what gets me.
 
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Alfie1 said:
I back horses to win, what your actually saying is your brilliant.
Listen, I'm on here for opinions and interesting perspectives
I'm not on here to entertain blow holes and read garbage from egotistical subscribers who want to tell the world how great they are.

Thanks for your response but take it somewhere else please
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You asked for opinions,so I gave mine.
You have constantly moaned about everything so that is why I asked why you bet.
What with poor racing,poor jockeys and non triers it must be hard for you to get your favourite to win.
You sound like a complete and utter know all.= Twat.
 
The notion that trainers and jockeys are in the game to land touches is downright absurd,imo.
They need winners,and plenty of them, to generate income amd advance their own careers,and it's no surprise that those who rise to the the top - in any sport - are pretty good at it.
Let the cynics and trolls have their own way,but giving them credence on a horse racing forum is unlikely to benefit anyone,imvho.
 
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I'm sure at the lower level there is a lot of dubious practices but at the medium to top level most horses run on their merits. That's not to say trainers don't deliberately run over wrong distances or in ground they don't run as well on. I'm sure even the lads have been in on large gambles. Rumour is they made a huge sum on city of troy in the Derby after his guineas flop. I'm sure there was nothing to see there.🤣🤣
 
Alfie1 said:
I back horses to win, what your actually saying is your brilliant.
Listen, I'm on here for opinions and interesting perspectives
I'm not on here to entertain blow holes and read garbage from egotistical subscribers who want to tell the world how great they are.

Thanks for your response but take it somewhere else please
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Alfie, you're a newbie here and will be made welcome but it seems you're making very much a snap judgment about Outsider based on one post which you appear to have misinterpreted.

He's a long-standing and valued contributor to the forum and his record on here stands up to scrutiny and who, like many of us, will openly admit when we get things wrong.

The forum is like a big, old-time city centre pub populated by old duffers, patter merchants, widos and winos with a handful of sages who love the place and stop by for a pint and throw their twopenceworth into the conversation, sometimes to inform, sometimes to amuse and sometimes to wind up. Every now and again a stranger moseys in, doesn't read the room and unwittingly makes a wee faux pas. Some will try and fight back - and they're always going to lose - and bugger off somewhere else where they can feel more at home, while some will re-read the room and find a way of integrating positively.

I suggest you take a wee bit of time to re-read the room and find a way of adding positively to the craic.

PS - I'm one of the winos.
 
I class myself as an occasional wino. Once in a blue moon but fair consume when in the mood then spend a couple of days in a daze so to speak. Too many folk in general quick to judgement. Nobody is right all the time and even lesser mortals come up with little gems.
 
Desert Orchid said:
Alfie, you're a newbie here and will be made welcome but it seems you're making very much a snap judgment about Outsider based on one post which you appear to have misinterpreted.

He's a long-standing and valued contributor to the forum and his record on here stands up to scrutiny and who, like many of us, will openly admit when we get things wrong.

The forum is like a big, old-time city centre pub populated by old duffers, patter merchants, widos and winos with a handful of sages who love the place and stop by for a pint and throw their twopenceworth into the conversation, sometimes to inform, sometimes to amuse and sometimes to wind up. Every now and again a stranger moseys in, doesn't read the room and unwittingly makes a wee faux pas. Some will try and fight back - and they're always going to lose - and bugger off somewhere else where they can feel more at home, while some will re-read the room and find a way of integrating positively.

I suggest you take a wee bit of time to re-read the room and find a way of adding positively to the craic.

PS - I'm one of the winos.
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Like any old pub, full of the usual drunks and bums, when someone new walks in for a pint and a chat, just because time and life have conditioned them to be unwilling to any opinions other than their own, and their only defense is to attack the poor sod, eventually the old bums and drunks fade away and unfortunately so does the pub.

Í Will gladly take my drink somewhere else

Good luck
 
Alfie, to be fair you have arrived a bit all guns blazing and had a pop at a long standing member. Were it a real pub, you probably would have got a smack in the chops by now.

We all get a long on here pretty well (most of the time) with the occasional disagreement. There is a lot of knowledge on here and plenty of lively discussion. And that’s why it works. If you’re trying to upset that and decide to have a go at someone, then don’t be surprised if other members don’t like it.
 
Alfie1 said:
Like any old pub, full of the usual drunks and bums, when someone new walks in for a pint and a chat, just because time and life have conditioned them to be unwilling to any opinions other than their own, and their only defense is to attack the poor sod, eventually the old bums and drunks fade away and unfortunately so does the pub.

Í Will gladly take my drink somewhere else

Good luck
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I repeat my advice, Alfie. Read the room rather than dig a bigger hole for yourself.
 
LUKE said:
What did he do.
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Sorry, Luke, just noticed this.

He was trying to impress them with a mixture of extremely lewd comments and double-entendres, the likes of which would make a scriptwriter for Carry On films gasp. There was another guy with him, presumably from the C4 team (but not Stephen Burns whom I'd met before), but he wasn't saying anything.

I was genuinely tempted to intervene but to my shame I chickened out. I wasn't sure how the young women were receiving the comments. One was kind of half-giggling but in an embarrassed sort of way.
 
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