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How Many Foreigners Live There?

BrianH

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These figures, the latest from the OECD, may surprise some - and even disappoint others.

Percentage of Foreigners Within the Population

Luxembourg.............38.6

Australia..................22.8

Switzerland..............20.0

New Zealand............19.5

Canada...................18.2

USA........................12.1

Germany..................8.9

France......................5.6

UK...........................4.8

Spain.......................3.9

Japan.......................1.5
 
Presumably with China, Greece and Russia below this selection of nations, does it show that if you don't want to discourage potential immigrants from living in your country all you have to do is use a non-latin alphabet ?
 
Originally posted by trig@Dec 18 2006, 03:37 PM
I presume these are the legal ones ?
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for sure


In Spain is bigger than 10% and the figure increasing massively day by day.
 
When it states "within the population" is that based on the working population or the population as a whole and for which year are these figures based on?
 
I presume these are the legal ones?
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And as illegal ones can't be counted, I presume that is a rhetorical question. Yes, of course and that is a question that I expected. A couple of things to say on the subject - if it were possible to count illegals there would certainly be some much larger increases in places like the USA than there would be in Britain and if you take the highest estimate of illegals in the UK (600,000) then the percentage would rise to about 5.9.

What is the OECD definition of a "foreigner"?
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Non citizens. Total long-term immigrants, workers who are nationals of other countries and students are all included, though the OECD does not count those on short-term contracts.

In Spain is bigger than 10% and the figure increasing massively day by day.
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Some countries were specifically mentioned as having an inflated idea of the percentage of foreigners living there. I beleieve that Spain was one of them.

When it states "within the population" is that based on the working population or the population as a whole and for which year are these figures based on?
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(1)Both figures include children and pensioners for both the foreign population and the total population.
(2) 2004
 
The OECD counts all those who have achieved official long-term residential status in the countries they have moved into. This statistic includes people who already were living there on temporary basis and changed their status.
 
These figures will upset the Daily Mail tendency . There is nothing like hard facts for upsetting the prejudiced .
 
There's nothing new about these figures, they are merely the latest in a series going back some time.

Illegals are not excluded from the figures but their numbers are probably underestimated. The basis for the data is the census, the results of which are updated at frequent intervals using data from the labour force survey. The census does not use administrative records to "capture" the population but depends instead on enumerators who knock on every door in the land and drop off forms to be filled in.

Thus illegals are not excluded a priori from the data but it is harder for the enumerators to be aware of their presence and to keep track of their movements during the relevant period than for more sttled elements of the population. Students and residents of apartment blocks are also reckoned to be underrepresented in both data sets.

By the way, the census office (OPCS) used to automatically recode all persons born in the UK but giving their nationality as Irish to British nationality. I don't know if this is still the case, but it was certainly true well into the 1990s and I'm surprised more fuss wasn't made about it at the time.
 
Originally posted by Ardross@Dec 18 2006, 11:48 PM
These figures will upset the Daily Mail tendency . There is nothing like hard facts for upsetting the prejudiced .
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Who are the Daily Mail tendency, Ardross?

You didn't dare bitch about The Daily Mail on Ted's forum did you when Ray H mentioned he read something in it? I bet you feel "safer" to bitch on this forum though don't you surrounded by your "mates". How long until it is followed by the David Cameron jibe. :rolleyes: Pathetic.
 
I only buy one newspaper ( Daily Mail ) each Saturday mainly because I like the comprehensive sports section and my wife likes the TV pullout.
Ian Wooldridge is a fav of mine.

Of course I read all the newspaper as well but I think it is wrong to insinuate that a Mail reader ( daily circ approx 2.3 million) is daft enough to believe everything he reads.
Journalists are as good as their research.

I also read the 'Times' every Sunday plus three Asian newspapers via Paperboy which gives you access to the worlds press inc 350 in the UK.
 
EXACTLY....if you choose to buy a quality newspaper I would say the MAIL borders on this, the TELEGRAPH, TIMES, etc etc make for some good reading you cant say that about the SUN, MIRROR etc as these are comics and report some outlandish stuff too.

I am an avid reader of teletex on television, for local news and world news also ..
CH4 horse racing pages are o/k to read and of course the S-L & R-P when it comes to studying form and making the final choice................ :rolleyes:
 
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