International Hurdle (The Bula)

I’ve no reason to doubt it. Was running fairly well then literally just stopped. One of those things unfortunately, tough one to get over for connections.

I get peoples assumptions about 4 year olds being over hyped and not stepping up, but that Triumph form up to now is holding its own, and Goshen was pissing it.

Not sure we’ll see the horse it could have ever been though after today’s discovery’s.
 
Is the Triumph form really stacking-up though?

Allmankind is chasing, and Aspire Tower may just have run into horses who were not quite at concert-pitch in Down Royal. Other than that pair, the rest of the Triumph runners have generally been well-beaten whenever they’ve run, and it might be dangerous to give the race too much credence.
 
Grasshopper said:
Is the Triumph form really stacking-up though?

Allmankind is chasing, and Aspire Tower may just have run into horses who were not quite at concert-pitch in Down Royal. Other than that pair, the rest of the Triumph runners have generally been well-beaten whenever they’ve run, and it might be dangerous to give the race too much credence.
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Run the Triumph and the County side by side, Saint Roi picks up Burning victory at last and puts 12 lengths between them by the time they reach the line, and he did it on the bridle!!!
 
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I’ve had a few beverages and trying to find as many excuses and reasons as I can for Goshen. I’ll agree with both your points tomorrow.

I’m logging off for the night to watch the boxing and lick my wounds from today.
 
Grasshopper said:
Is the Triumph form really stacking-up though?

Allmankind is chasing, and Aspire Tower may just have run into horses who were not quite at concert-pitch in Down Royal. Other than that pair, the rest of the Triumph runners have generally been well-beaten whenever they’ve run, and it might be dangerous to give the race too much credence.
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What do you expect them (the 4 year olds) to have done since? The winner hasn't run. Goshen was 12l ahead of horses that are stacking up as, at worse, on a par for triumphs. Those crabbing the triumph are looking for angles to oppose Goshen. There are far better reasons.
 
Take Goshen out of the equation and the Triumph form is garbage.

I did a sectional take on it at the time and the best I could come up with was a rating of 142 for the winner.

Bear in mind, though, that she was getting 7lbs from the males so some of them would have been higher.

Goshen, giving her 7lbs, was 10 lengths ahead and not stopping at the last, so we're talking a minimum rating of 159 for him, which is beyond smart for a juvenile (although I had Our Conor higher) so there isn't much point in trying to back-rate the Triumph.

It's clear that Goshen hasn't rediscovered his form yet.

It might be next season before he does but that shouldn't detract from the performance he was posting in March.
 
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What do you expect them (the 4 year olds) to have done since? The winner hasn't run. Goshen was 12l ahead of horses that are stacking up as, at worse, on a par for triumphs. Those crabbing the triumph are looking for angles to oppose Goshen. There are far better reasons.
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I was merely questioning whether the Triumph was as solid as was being suggested.

Besides, crabbing the Triumph form is an annual pursuit; mainly because it very rarely proves to be worth a carrot.

And I don’t need to “look for angles” to oppose Goshen. It should be clear from my opening post that I was already against him pre-race.
 
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While I can't see any reason to question the Triumph form Grassy as it's not an exact science and only a fool would rubbish it offhand there's no harm in questioning it logically........He was about to absolutely destroy a decent grade 2 winning hurdler who has gone on to win the Morgiana Hurdle and a top class novice chaser in the making who looked outstanding at Kempton...Burning Victory was sent off at 12/1 which was huge for a Mullins horse which makes you wonder...but there is no denying Goshen had a good field beaten......no one at this stage can say it was rubbish after whats come out of it

Not that it means he will become a champion Al Ferhof had Sprinter and Cue Card well beaten in the Supreme and while they went on to the very top he simply was a middle of the road performer winning races like the Paddy Power but mainly placing behind better animals.

The Triumph rarely produces CH horses these day Our Conner Katchit and Celestial Halo exceptions...who knows now if Goshen would have been another one?
 
While I can't see any reason to question the Triumph form Grassy as it's not an exact science and only a fool would rubbish it offhand there's no harm in questioning it logically........He was about to absolutely destroy a decent grade 2 winning hurdler who has gone on to win the Morgiana Hurdle and a top class novice chaser in the making who looked outstanding at Kempton...Burning Victory was sent off at 12/1 which was huge for a Mullins horse which makes you wonder...but there is no denying Goshen had a good field beaten......no one at this stage can say it was rubbish after whats come out of it

Not that it means he will become a champion Al Ferhof had Sprinter and Cue Card well beaten in the Supreme and while they went on to the very top he simply was a middle of the road performer winning races like the Paddy Power but mainly placing behind better animals.

The Triumph rarely produces CH horses these day Our Conner Katchit and Celestial Halo exceptions...who knows now if Goshen would have been another one?
 
“Trainer Moore insisted Goshen is fine this morning and that he has not been ruled out for the rest of the season.
But they will monitor the heart situation - known as 'atrial fibrillation' - and hope for a quick recovery.”

"There was a lot of disappointment from yesterday but we learned one thing - don't restrain the horse, let him use his stride. He is a little bit different, he doesn't like being crowded. Yesterday we have been trying to hold him up rather than let him use his stride because horses don't always last all the time if they're out there making the running. We tried to hold him up and it was the complete wrong thing to do."

I’ve looked again and again at the race and whilst it’s obvious that he was keen and being restrained I don’t think that explains why he stopped so quickly, although it was exaggerated by Jamie stopping riding as soon as he went backwards. I’d love to see him put right, but none of it bodes well I fear.
 
It took Sprinter Sacre 2 years to get back to something approaching his best when he suffered atrial fibrillation

Maybe him being younger he can get over it faster..wish them all the best
 
Is it unusual for such a young horse to have such a problem? I thought Denman and Sprinter Sacre had had lots of races before they had a heart problem although S S wouldn’t have had races as hard as Denman.
 
What price would Goshen have been for the CH if it had won yesterday? They changed tactics and it didnt work.
It's now 25/1,
Doent Gary Moore like a bet?
 
Outsider said:
What price would Goshen have been for the CH if it had won yesterday? They changed tactics and it didnt work.
It's now 25/1,
Doesn't Gary Moore like a bet?
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I'd say 20/1
The winners 20/1 and he carried 6Lb more than Goshen....Unless you're saying, what if Goshen had won yesterday by 25 length's with his head in his chest.

What did it cost to enter yesterdays race, £500 maybe....then weren't they getting 120/1 for their layout...that's with a 6Lb pull, a pull they won't get in the champion!
 
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In 4/5 years time Goshen will be with another trainer and be running in C6 handicaps at Southwell

Mark my words
 
Tanlic said:
It took Sprinter Sacre 2 years to get back to something approaching his best when he suffered atrial fibrillation

Maybe him being younger he can get over it faster..wish them all the best
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True, but Captain Guinness had his corrected from his last run and he sluiced up a few days ago. Paisley Park ran well enough at Newbury too. Sprinter was at the far end of the scale.
 
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True, but Captain Guinness had his corrected from his last run and he sluiced up a few days ago. Paisley Park ran well enough at Newbury too. Sprinter was at the far end of the scale.
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Well if he was telling the truth about the scoping badly, then therein could lie the cause...Atrial fibrillation is a common disorder around lung infections, it is also a common side effect with antibiotic use!
 
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