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Maxbet

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The supplementation of Mojo Star has seen High Definition's price almost double from Evens out to 7/4, for Saturdays race at the Curragh.
 
Would expect better from Hurricane Lane at the Curragh. He lost his two front shoes at Epsom and changed his legs a fair bit. 11/2 very fair.
 
Euronymous said:
Would expect better from Hurricane Lane at the Curragh. He lost his two front shoes at Epsom and changed his legs a fair bit. 11/2 very fair.
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The Lads are going to run the race hard aren't they? It's going to setup like the Dante. High Definition doesn't get beat if his supporters are right but in theory HL should finish in front of him.
 
Slim said:
The Lads are going to run the race hard aren't they? It's going to setup like the Dante. High Definition doesn't get beat if his supporters are right but in theory HL should finish in front of him.
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Can't see why they would?
HL got outpaced in the Dante and the Derby, and his best chance seems to be forcing his own pace.
 
Slim said:
The Lads are going to run the race hard aren't they? It's going to setup like the Dante. High Definition doesn't get beat if his supporters are right but in theory HL should finish in front of him.
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I haven't studied the race yet (not that much to study, to be honest, but I don't think they will set it up for HD. I think they will let them all run their own race and see what happens. They'll probably back whichever they have the strongest information on but history tells us they don't usually set it up for one horse.

I really hope HD is the biz. I haven't looked at the betting yet but presume he's favourite, which, on form, he probably shouldn't be. It might not be a betting race although some sickness insurance on HD just to recoup 2000G losses might be in order.
 
Desert Orchid said:
I haven't studied the race yet (not that much to study, to be honest, but I don't think they will set it up for HD. I think they will let them all run their own race and see what happens. They'll probably back whichever they have the strongest information on but history tells us they don't usually set it up for one horse.

I really hope HD is the biz. I haven't looked at the betting yet but presume he's favourite, which, on form, he probably shouldn't be. It might not be a betting race although some sickness insurance on HD just to recoup 2000G losses might be in order.
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They do not need another mediocre son of Galileo Irish Derby winner. They need HD to be impressive. The only way to do that is to run this race hard. Their other runners are average at best.
 
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I'll take Van Gogh sporting bet each way.

He never got a great run in France, will appreciate the step up to 1M4F.

Colin Keane rides.
 
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Slim said:
They do not need another mediocre son of Galileo Irish Derby winner. They need HD to be impressive. The only way to do that is to run this race hard. Their other runners are average at best.
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Yes and no.

An Irish Derby winner is an Irish Derby winner. That's the first priority. How impressive it is will depend as much on the commentary and TV coverage as on the form. The default position in the media nowadays is to treat every G1 winner like an equine god or goddess.

AOB or any Coolmore rep only has to piggy-back the hype and cherrypick the best aspects of the result to promote future stud value.

I do want HD to be impressive although deep down I'm not convinced he needs the race to be run any particular way for him to impress. I think the extra three weeks from York plus the run there will have done him a lot of good and we know from last season how he can power up the final two furlongs of the Curragh.

The sectionals will help define the performance too. If he puts in a fast final 3f section that will be a positive. If he runs any furlong close to 10s that will be a positive.
 
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High Definition is a Fastnet Rock (sprinter) sired Dam cross with Galileo, as of yet, none of that crossing, has won further than a mile and a quarter. This is mostly due to the Dam’s of Fastnet Rock, like him, are sprinters. High Definitions Mum, Palace barely got a mile, Palaces mum never raced, but her mother, Sonic Lady, was Champion miler in Europe.

I don't think he will have the necessary stamina against The Epsom Derby principles...
 
I read an article on the breeding of Derby contenders in the lead-up to Epsom and the writer went into his pedigree in detail, including mention of the Fastnet Rock element but concluded that HD will need at least 12f to be seen to best effect.

You can't both be right :)
 
Desert Orchid said:
I read an article on the breeding of Derby contenders in the lead-up to Epsom and the writer went into his pedigree in detail, including mention of the Fastnet Rock element but concluded that HD will need at least 12f to be seen to best effect.

You can't both be right :)
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High Definition is a Fastnet Rock (sprinter) sired Dam cross with Galileo, as of yet, none of that crossing has won further than a mile and a quarter so, I am right so far...1m4f will be too far
 
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Well here's one for you Do...

Innisfree is a full brother to High Definition. Last seen running 2nd to Kameko in the Futurity at Newcastle. Hasn't been seen on a racecourse since that day back on Oct 19. Now despite Aiden coming out and saying he was fit and ready to run, we are still waiting. At the start of the season, Innisfree was entered in all the big races over 1m4f. He still holds an entry in the Arc, but in line with my thinking for his pedigree, he now holds 3 new entries;

(Early closer) at Leopardstown Green Room Meld Stakes (Group 3) (1m1f)
(Early closer) at York Juddmonte International Stakes (British Champions Series) (Group 1) (1m2½f)
(Early closer) at Leopardstown Irish Champion Stakes (Group 1) (1m2f)
 
Yes, and as someone once said, George Best's brother was useless at football :lol:

I'll be pleased for you if you're proved right, Maxbet. I like when people with strong opinions are proved right.
 
Gotta say I find this race way more fascinating than the Epsom version and likely it's because there's some narrative to it.

Fav. Yer typical overhyped O'Brien who should not be the price he is but you just wouldn't lay him.

2nd fav - Every year it seems you have these massive priced horses hit the frame in a colts' classic (usually the 2000) from a no mark stable, the Tip Too Win, Glory Awaits type. They never seem to win again and always go off too short. Now Mojo Star is not from a no mark stable in theory, but I'd not touch a Hannon over more than a mile with a bargepole.

3rd fav - Yer solid Godolphin who is really consistent but probably will never win a Group 1.

4th fav - Martyn Meade. Avoid in Group 1s.

BAR
 
Have I awoken this morning into some kind of parallel universe?

Unless my memory is playing tricks on me, in the lead up to the Derby, Chapman was totally dissing High Definition's chances, claiming something along the lines of his next win being in the Triumph Hurdle.

This morning he's talking about the horse as if he's Shergar reincarnate.

Has he heard something?
 
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