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It's a fiddle isn't it!

So what do we conclude - seems to me key players didn’t get their money down, so it was saved for another day …..opened 10-1 the previous day and was backed into 2-1 first thing in the morning, but he drifted right back out again before the off……RP -
 
I feel for the jockey as I'm sure he was told how to ride it.hes only a conditional.if it had been a pro jockey like Denis O'Reagan he would have got him covered up and jumped slowly a couple of times.
That's his 2nd ban for not trying.its the trainers that need banning.
 
I commented a few months ago that horses are being backed the night before then seriously drifting the next day.

The drift could have just been the market adjusting itself or someone putting their laying boots on. It's unlikely it's the drift that's most concerning I reckon, it's the ride!!

I could be wrong.
 
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barjon said:
So what do we conclude - seems to me key players didn’t get their money down, so it was saved for another day …..opened 10-1 the previous day and was backed into 2-1 first thing in the morning, but he drifted right back out again before the off……RP -
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There needs to be a deeper investigation into this ride. We've all seen runners that weren't off but this wouldn't be a typical example, in my opinion.

Usually I know when I'm on a non-trier before halfway in race so I'd want to kow what was happening during in-race betting on the exchanges.

I've no idea myself what happened but I wouldn't be surprised if it transpired that a lot of money was exchanged in-running in anticipation of the horse winning only for those punters to end up effectively being fleeced.

The jockey is clearly party to whatever happened but an investigation needs to get to the top of the food chain here.

The jockey, I'm afraid is doomed in terms of his career, in my opinion. It looks to me like he's got himself involved in criminal circles and there's seldom a good outcome when that happens. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up involved in tipping line or syndication scams.
 
He's actually not a bad 7lb claimer when he's riding without shackles on. He's won a few bumpers with well judged rides.
 
Desert Orchid said:
There needs to be a deeper investigation into this ride. We've all seen runners that weren't off but this wouldn't be a typical example, in my opinion.

Usually I know when I'm on a non-trier before halfway in race so I'd want to kow what was happening during in-race betting on the exchanges.

I've no idea myself what happened but I wouldn't be surprised if it transpired that a lot of money was exchanged in-running in anticipation of the horse winning only for those punters to end up effectively being fleeced.

The jockey is clearly party to whatever happened but an investigation needs to get to the top of the food chain here.

The jockey, I'm afraid is doomed in terms of his career, in my opinion. It looks to me like he's got himself involved in criminal circles and there's seldom a good outcome when that happens. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up involved in tipping line or syndication scams.
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Hes a conditional so if he wants to get on he does what the trainer wants him to do,
Yes,he could be criminally involved but I hope not.it was too obvious. As I said,its the trainer who should suffer.
 
The trainer should definitely be punished more than the jockey but it's already happened to the rider. He should have seen the light of his ways after his first offence. He's in with bad people and no decent trainer will touch him with a barge pole.

In my opinion, there are jockeys out there who get by with 'journeyman' status but they tend to ride at minor meetings, happy to pick up enough to live on while earning backhanders for riding to instructions ahead of a better jockey coming in for the better races.
 
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Amazes me how a horse can be given a penalty for falling when looking likely to win when they never hit these blatant cheats with the very thing that will stop them:mad:
 
Some bright and knowledgeable posters on this thread. I'm surprised that there is a lack of caveats accompanying some of the statements. Matters of opinion and possibilities would be more appropriate.
 
The owner has had some hooky horses in the past too looking at historical runs
 
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They should look at the horse and rider's previous race too, schooled in public...
 
Chris Honour has instructed the owner to remove all his horses from the yard and publicly stated that he had no knowledge as to the way the jockey rode the horse.

Apparently they have gone to Brian Barr’s yard.
 
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Chris Honour has instructed the owner to remove all his horses from the yard and publicly stated that he had no knowledge as to the way the jockey rode the horse.

Apparently they have gone to Brian Barr’s yard.
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That's different to what he said in the article.
 
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40 days nowhere near enough. It was a deliberate act of cheating
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Jockey should have been banned for at least a year. The owner struck off and the police called in.

As i said in another thread worst stopping job I have seen since 1984.

It's one thing laying one out for a touch but you can bet this was laid big time on Betfair by those in the know.
 
So is Billy Loughnane but he's wise enough to steer clear of any bad elements.

He's not the first bent jockey who got into the wrong company and he wont be the last
but he's got to go........20 years ago it was considered naughty now with exchanges and the media in wait it's taken a lot more seriously.

You need to be half braindead to get involves in stopping horses nowadays
 
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Yep license suspended

I reckon he's owned up, only a young kid isn't he
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I hope he's been given some kind of incentive to come back at some point in the future, maybe this suspension being seen as a chance to get a complete break from what are, in my opinion, criminals trying to cheat for personal gain. He maybe needs to get away from Greatrex too. I have him as a target trainer but seldom back his horses. Maybe a relocation, a new agent, if he has one, and some hard work behind the scenes for some of the more honest operations.

He's still young and needs professional support and guidance but whether he'll get it is another matter.
 
If I understand the situation correctly, Kitts's suspension is only a holding position until such time as enquiries and disciplinary proceedings take place.
 
I would imagine that is the case but what I don't get is what was Kitts thinking? Why didn't he exit stage left turning for home and give his mount no where to go.

Instaed he kept right clear of trouble and allowed the horse to pull him into a winning position.

It even had echoes of a Harchibald not giving him a kick on the belly until it was too late but looked even worse.

He;s going to need someone good to put forward his case and the right man representing him might just save his bacon a bit but he wont be collectin $200
 

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