Jamie Oliver's Healthy Food For Schools....

Originally posted by PDJ@Oct 4 2006, 07:02 PM
I really don't think that sweet shops and their owners have morals, Julie, as much as I would like them to have. They are in it for the profit and nowt else.
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Of course you're right Pee if we were talking about a normal commerically independent retailer but the one I'm taking about is a little different. It's funded from local grants to provide a service for a rural community and it's a very good idea in principal. But as it's based on providing a service for its rural customers, with that has to be a degree of community awareness and responsibility, so I don't think it unreasonable that they should refuse to serve children an excessive amount of sweets before or even after school without an adult being present.
 
Some really interesting points made.

My sister in law is a classic case of pandering to her kids. They are unbelievably fussy and she feeds them the usual - pizza, burgers, turkey twizzlers - claiming they won't eat anything else. However when they go to stay with my mother, after wingeing for a couple of days, they are eating everything in sight - all good homecooked food - much of which they help prepare. They visit the butchers with her, select & dig up the veg and get far more enjoyment of what they eat. They return home looking loads healthier. The eldest has even been heard blaming his fussy eating on his mother saying she never made him eat everything so he didn't. Now aged 13, he has gone to boarding school (his choice & he won a scholarship), he doesn't get a choice and he is happy to eat anything put in front of him.

I am continuously amazed watching parents in the supermarket being dictated to by their kids on what they should buy. As a child we had to eat everything - if we didn't it was no pudding (better than my mum whose father used to mix anything they left in with their pudding - fat, gravy in with jam roly poly & custard - yum!)
 
This stuff about being too poor to afford 'good food' is tosh. My now very sadly late neighbour (prior to my current abode) was a divorced mum of one. She'd had the boy later in life and although she'd worked as a cook previously, she was on disability benefits due to having had cancer (which caught up with her and finished the job this year). She bought sackloads of spuds, onions and carrots, not prettily-scraped and cleaned ones from supermarkets, but from Lidl. Lidl IS easily within walking distance or a short bus ride for our biggest Council estate in Brighton, not out of town at all. She bought all of the BOGOF and special offers and saved ££s that way. She bought cheaper cuts of meat and made wholesome stews, casseroles, pies, etc., all fresh, with mounds of veggies. She also made nice puddings such as rhubarb and custard. She and her boy ate well and plentifully. She enjoyed the odd drink, nothing too much or too often, from cheaper brands of beer from Lidl's, and the boy also had the occasional pop from the same shop. Unfortunately, she continued to smoke heavily and probably contributed to her own death through this habit.
 
Not sure if we're in agreement here or not, Krizon...

I tend to buy certain tins of food, bottles of soft drinks, frozen veg and occasionally fresh veg at Lidl but the nearest is a good 15 min drive in either of two directions.

I believe in taking advantage of stocking up on BOGOFs and have a section of a cupboard set aside for same.

As I type, I've just got through my fifth can of German lager from Lidl (it goes well with the footie) but I'm not convinced cheaper cuts of meat make proper meals. They may be edible if stewed for long enough but they're more likely to be fatty.

The thing I miss about my previous job is that although I used to finish quite often at about 9.30pm, it meant I could stop in at a certain supermarket on the way home and pick up loaves for 10p, good meat for £1 per lb, etc., etc., as it was its sell-by the next day. I remember making a three course meal for eight people for about £3 and our guests were none the wiser. One of the bottles of wine they brought would have cost more.

And they preferred my food to the hospital stuff they ended up eating.
 
I'm not quite sure what there is to agree about or not, DO. The Lidl here was about five minutes' walk from our houses. Their cuts of meat suited what my neighbour enjoyed eating, and I don't remember great gobs of fat on anything, since I ate several times with her and her son. It just is what it is.
 
Cheap cuts of meat tend to be fatty or from the tougher parts of the beast, hence their cheaper price. I have a number of fillet and/or sirloin steaks in the freezer bought from the local supermarket for a fraction of the normal retail price because they were within a day of their sell-by. They work out at about £1.50/lb.
 
When my neighbour could get to Asda at the Marina (not so convenient for her by bus, or when she wasn't feeling well), she'd go that route, too, and take advantage of their specials. But as far as talking about healthy meals in general is concerned, what I was saying was that not having any wealth at all didn't stop this person from providing fresh, home-cooked meals, every day, for herself and her son. In fact, he got fed better at home than he did at the school, where the emphasis was on chips and sausages.

On the salary you've often made comment about, you are making a CHOICE about what you eat. In her case, this wasn't 'lifestyle', it was life.
 
Originally posted by BrianH@Oct 4 2006, 06:52 PM
I don't really think that we can abolish children
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He tried

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Here's my tuppence worth.

We had feck all money when I was a wean.

At home we would never, ever be given turkey twizzlers or oven chips or any other type of "easy" food because they are too expensive when compared to buying fresh veg and meat. Nothing has changed in respect of the cost.

We were never given money to buy a school dinner because they were too expensive. We had a packed lunch consisting of a few sandwiches.

Where are these "poor" people Merlin is talking about getting the cash to allow their children to make the choice between expensive healthy food from school or expensive unhealthy food from chippies?

Maybe the thick cvnts would be a bit less poor if they listened to some of Mr Oliver's "healthy" eating advice and applied it to their budgets.
 
Where are these "poor" people Merlin is talking about getting the cash to allow their children to make the choice between expensive healthy food from school or expensive unhealthy food from chippies?

Simmo I can only state on here what I see daily no doubt a portion of chips and gravy is a lot cheaper than a sit down school meal... or a burger is cheaper as well? I do not know the current prices as my kids are older than school age one actually teaches thats my daughter...............

I had bread and jam or a spam sandwich if I was lucky when I was a kid coming home for dinner as we called it..

QUOTE (Merlin the Magician @ Oct 4 2006, 04:04 PM)
I travelled on foot 2 miles there and 2 miles back 4 times a day......=8 miles a day

PDJ Maybe you should have been in Maths lessons instead of all that walking, Merlin...

Paul your bookmaker must be knocking you right left and centre if you cant work out that to go to my secondary modern school once in the morning come home at lunchtime go back after lunch and come back home after school and the mileage is 2 miles one way, I make that 8 miles a day so nowt wrong with my maths or arithmetic I can assure you!!!!!

Occasional smelling!!! Mistake but a little better on maths…………… :rolleyes:
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I know what you mean Merlin, but as you have stated it, you make a 4 mile round trip 4 times a day = 16 miles.
 
Originally posted by Merlin the Magician@Oct 5 2006, 10:12 AM
Simmo I can only state on here what I see daily no doubt a portion of chips and gravy is a lot cheaper than a sit down school meal... or a burger is cheaper as well? I do not know the current prices as my kids are older than school age one actually teaches thats my daughter...............
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Portion of chips and gravy from the chippie would probably set you back about £1.50 or so. Another 50p for the obligatory can of ginger. Almost certainly another £1 for more ginger and sweets. Call it £3 a day, and I would think that is a minimum. That's £15 a week.

They could give them sandwiches and something to drink for £6/7 a week.

If they have three kids, then thats £45 a week, where they could do sandwiches and a drink for about £12.

I'm not disputing that this happens, I am saying that if the parents weren't so stupid they would be able to feed their kids relatively healthily and save themselves some money to gorge on beer and fags and cable telly in the process.
 
Originally posted by Melendez@Oct 5 2006, 10:18 AM
I know what you mean Merlin, but as you have stated it, you make a 4 mile round trip 4 times a day = 16 miles.
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I think we all knew what Merlin meant but as written it did work out at 16 miles.

Shame on PDJ for being so unkind as to point it out. You'd never get me doing that B)
 
Originally posted by simmo@Oct 5 2006, 10:44 AM


I'm not disputing that this happens, I am saying that if the parents weren't so stupid they would be able to feed their kids relatively healthily and save themselves some money to gorge on beer and fags and cable telly in the process.
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Stupid? Or Lazy? I'd say more like the latter but with helpings of the former thrown in. I agree with what you are saying entirely, Simmo.
 
Did anyone else live in the typical household where what was on your plate, either had to be eaten or you starved?

That is how I grew up, if we didn't eat what was in front of us (and we did, because my old man was very strict), then literally we had to starve. There was none of this separate meals rubbish that some parents do to their kids to make them eat, or we were never enticed/rewarded to try and eat our dinner with snacks. We just had to eat what was in front of us. Otherwise we would starve.

School lunches for my brother and I were packed each day. We helped in packing and preparing them. We always had sandwiches, fruit, vegetables and a bottle of water. Our lone snack (junk food) being a packet of chips.

Of course we had McDonalds, KFC, Pizza Hut, etc. But those times were rare, and I don't think I have missed out because the stuff tastes like absolute crap.

The only people I blame are the parents. Good eating habits start at home, and not at school, where it seems the teachers have to try and enforce better eating habits. I say good luck to those in teaching that have to put up with this.
 
Completely agree with you. I had a very similar upbringing and consequently can name on one hand food I really won't eat(gooseberries, blackcurrants, kidneys and scrambled eggs).

Eating with the family should encourage good table manners as well as conversation - both lacking these days in many young people.
 
My so called lunch when in school, and arriving home, consisted of pork Dripping sandwiches and a mug of oxo, or oxo and a bit of bread to dip in it, in the colder days and lettuce sandwiches in the summer and own grown toms with a spoonful of that treacle like substance daily... who's name alludes me at present but no doubt others will remember it?................ we were deemed as poor....... nothing as changed either???????????? ;) :P :P :D
 
You actually had a mug John ? posh bu**er :huh: we had a communal jam jar that was passed around the family circle who were seated cross legged around a clipped mat :(

It started from the eldest ( dad) and progressed to the youngest by which time there were many varying floaters from previous slurpers :angry:
 
You had a mat? My bum still bears the scars of all the skelfs that embedded themselves there from the bare floorboards.
 
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