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Lock Up Your Piebalds

Triptych

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Acording to the Sunday Telegraph horse rustling is on the increae at the moment, particularly involving piebalds and skewbalds.

Rustlers target British paddocks as US demands trophy horses
By Jasper Copping, Sunday Telegraph

Horses and ponies are being stolen and shipped to the United States to meet soaring demand for "coloured" mounts, experts warn.

Gangs are targeting piebald and skewbald horses and the growth in thefts has led to predictions of the worst year on record for rustling.

Once considered deeply unfashionable, piebald (black and white) and skewbald (any other colour and white) horses have enjoyed an amazing surge in popularity both in Europe and America.

A traditional coloured cob – a well-built, weight-carrying mount – can now command up to £60,000 in America, offering huge profits on the £3,500 cost of transport.

According to the International League for the Protection of Horses (ILPH), a charity with officers in Britain and America, thieves are using loopholes to secure "passports" for stolen animals, transporting them to Europe or Ireland with legally obtained horses, and then flying them to the US.

Paul Teasdale, the league's chief investigator, said: "There are huge amounts of money involved and people are stealing them for America because that is where the money is."

Allison Williment, an ILPH officer investigating the trade, said: "Dealers are drawing together about 100 horses and then sending them across the Atlantic. Many of these may be legally obtained but we know that some have been found to have horses that are not theirs."

So far this year, 60 horses have been reported stolen in the UK, a large proportion of which are "coloureds". The figure includes 18 taken during the past five weeks.

In the Thames Valley area, 23 horses have been stolen since January, twice the number taken in 2004 and 2005 combined. Of those stolen this year, just 14 per cent have been recovered, compared with 43 per cent last year.

Although a passport scheme was introduced in 2004, in part to combat horse rustling, delays in updating the national database mean that gangs can easily obtain documentation for stolen horses.

Det Insp David Collings, an equine liaison officer with Hampshire Police, said it was relatively easy to get stolen horses out of the country. "Horses are a thieves' paradise. When stolen ones are mixed in with others, it is very difficult to detect."

Helen Evans, a co-ordinator for Horsewatch, which monitors the thefts, said: "We're heading for our worst year on record."

The organisation had received reports that a dealer had 75 coloured horses on a field close to Harrow, Middlesex. Locals thought he was trying to collect 100 to take to America.

Horsewatch officers went to see if any had been stolen, but the animals had been moved overnight.

According to the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, more than 1,000 horses were flown to the US direct from the UK last year. The department does not record numbers taken to France and Ireland because of an agreement between the governments and the large numbers moving between the three countries. Almost 5,000 horses, however, were transported from the UK to other countries in the EU last year.

Larry Heuer, who works for the IPLH in America, said stolen horses were being transported on specially adapted cargo planes flying regularly from Holland to New York, New Jersey and -Kentucky.

"Our customs guys don't care where the animals come from and don't recognise the British passport anyway. They just want to know whether they have diseases," he said.

Sisters Kathy Spencer and Sylvia Roy had five Shetland ponies, including three skewbalds and a piebald cob, called Benji, stolen from a field in Chorleywood, Herts, during two raids last month.

Mrs Spencer, 57, said: "We are heartbroken. It is not knowing about what's happened to them and whether anyone is looking after them that is the worst part

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I can;t begin to imagins how their owners must feel. The case in Harrow is intruiging though. 75 horses disappearing overnight must have involved a hell of a lot of horseboxes.
 
Krizon or one of the other knowledgeable horsey people will perhaps enlighten me please. Why can't America breed enough piebalds and skewbalds for their markets? Is it more complicated than mating black, brown or chestnut horses with white (grey) mares, or the other way round? Or do you only get piebalds and skewbalds from mating them? Sorry for bring so ignorant, but I find the topic interesting. I seem to remember back in the 1950's The Cisco Kid or his sidekick, Pancho, riding a piebald with a black ring around one eye.
 
I believe at least one parent has to be piebald or skewbald. There are two types, tobaino and sabino (although what that means I don't know). In America they have Pinto and Paint horses, so I'm not sure why there is a shortage. I'm sure someone on here will know far more than me as this is all rather vague! I do remember though the RP reporting last month that the first piebald thoroughbred had been admitted to the stud book.
 
It's the heavy 'vanner' type the yanks are after, most Ponies of the Americas (IIRC) are much 'finer' without the feather and bone our horses have.
 
You don't tend to get a coloured (ie piebald/skewbald) foal thrown from mating two horses of solid colours, although it can happen rarely. It's all in the genetics - Ven would know more but I'm certain the coloured gene has to be present to throw a coloured foal.

As Raksha says, the vast majority of coloured ponies in the UK are heavyweight cobs with feathers - your archetypal "pikey pony". I had a "pikey pony" as a teenager and I loved him to bits - he's still going strong now at the age of around 17. He's a star - I sold him to a friend and she still keeps him but more as a pet - he loves it the lairy sod. In fact I've got a [very poor] picture of him!

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We'd just cantered up the lane!!! Besides, it's now the complete opposite - the left leg is shorter than the right!!!!
 
Bareback, and just a halter - tsk, tsk, Health & Safety would go mad! :lol: The best way to get a really deep seat, even if you have to walk around for a while as if you've got a hot pie between your legs (a phrase of my dear, genteel Mama's). :o
 
Yup, bareback with a headcollar and leadrope - the leadrope crudely knotted to the other side of the headcollar....control?? Not a lot.....:D
 
Originally posted by krizon@Nov 29 2006, 11:50 PM
Bareback, and just a halter - tsk, tsk, Health & Safety would go mad! :lol: The best way to get a really deep seat, even if you have to walk around for a while as if you've got a hot pie between your legs (a phrase of my dear, genteel Mama's). :o
Specially when said 'orse is 17.2hh and you're leading a couple of the riding school ponies at the same time........

You bloomin' well learn not to fall off, cos it's a looooooong way down ;)

Happy days - North Herts Equitation Centre circa 1973-78.....
 
Seeing as we're showing off our Pikeys, heres my old bird:wub: (being upstaged by childs pony!)

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Don't get any illusions of a safe reliable cob, she'd give a TB a run for their money, and be twice the strength of one aswell, though stick the kids on her and she'd be nice as pie....
 
:cry: I cant put a pic of mine up!! Im jealous now!! KNow exactly wher eyoure coming from LE - they are the biggest con artists out there - safe ladies hackabouts - my arse..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Thought i'd add our old fella too. May i introduce you to the 18 year old cheeky Cherokee. Safe? Erm... yes. Vice free? Near enough. Show him a jump and is he a plod?.......... Hell NO!!!!
Believe it or not this old boy in his day was well known throughout Northern Ireland on the show scene. He's better known that Milton over here :D.
Much loved, adored and pampered by all who meet him. He's my horse of a lifetime in as he has given me more than i could ever repay him for. :wub:

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HOW THE HELL did he stay so white?????

NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


and hes gorgeous!! Thats it - I heve GOT to get a digital camera so I can get a pic of Domino up on here....
 
HOW THE HELL did he stay so white?????

NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO Trudij!!

See that photo? It's got the date on it. It was quite a dry summer here, well as dry as you can get in N.Ire! I promise you tomorrow i will take the camera out and take another pic and you can see the Chere of today. Un-bloody-recognisable!

He sadly got a tendon injury in May which near broke my heart and he is now on a long holiday for a year, even possible retirement. So he has lived out unclipped since his wee box rest and he is now resembling a polar bear living in a mud puddle and loving every minute of being stinking! He has to be seen to be believed.
His leg is looking grand at the moment and it is getting better by the week and he's sound but whatever the outcome as long as he is happy and pain free he will keep our old mare company for the rest of his days and he'll be delighted being the stinking old boy that he is now. :D
 
Soba, is that large rump disappearing, stage left, your 'old mare'? Yer man's a grand fellow - he looks ready to run right at you and 'just' miss knocking you off your feet, cheeky chappie!
 
Hi Krizon.

Yes that enormous lardy arse is that of old girl Lucy, she's still rather a good doer especially after the summer grass! Happily slimmed down now this time of year. (The three sheep in the background are our bottle fed orphans we saved and are now also pets) She can't be ridden due to an old injury and nor can she be bred from anymore as she has 'problems down below that she does not like to talk about' :ph34r: As for wee Chere knocking me over, i was behind the garden wall....... sod that!
 
:lol: Aha! You escaped ABH, then, 'cos he looks like he's dead set on that camera! Nice about the sheep, too. What do you do with their shorn coats?
 
Trudij, here is the latest photo of Chere boy. As you will see he is no longer the snowy horse he once was! His coat is amazing as although i think he might be wet and cold, whenever i run my hands underneath his coat and legs they are bone dry. :confused:
I don't suppose in around May time you fancy coming over and clipping him for me do you as it is not going to be the normal whizz around i do? :D

Krizon, we take our sheep up to my OH's cousin's farm when they are due a haircut. The men who shear his sheep do ours when they go over there and as payment keep the wool seeing as there are only the three.

I've just had a genius idea! I wonder if they would do Chere for me next year? :D

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