More inconsistent stewarding

Ardross

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I have only seen the replay on the ATR site which does not show the head on but I struggle to see why Set to Go was disqualified in the seller . Lastkingofscotland was running all over the place and intimidated the winner which then slightly bumped him - to say it cost him the race is surely immensely speculative .

If Jacqueline Quest had been thrown out in the 1000 for a bump like that there would have been uproar.

If we have a rule that the stewards have to be satisfied that the result would have been different then it should be applied consistently.
 
It met the criteria for an ammended result Ardross in that the odds-on favourite finished second and was beaten by a relative outsider.
 
By Bruce Jackson 12:52PM 26 MAY 2010
TELEVISION viewers and racegoers could get an unprecedented front row seat at stewards' inquiries during next week's Investec Derby meeting.

It is understood the BBC, which is covering ten races including the Investec Derby, Oaks and Coronation Cup, has been granted access to the Epsom stewards' room.

While television cameras were allowed into Glorious Goodwood inquiries a couple of years ago, those trials were picture only.
Next weekend, viewers are expected to be able to hear exchanges between stewards and jockeys as incidents in races are reviewed.

The BHA and Professional Jockeys' Association have given their blessing to the latest Racing For Change initiative to broaden the appeal of racing and add further drama, especially if there is a repeat of the StanJames.com 1,000 Guineas climax when Jacqueline Quest lost the Classic in the stewards' room.
 
Averagely, three stewards and two stipendiaries per meeting, Gal, four stews and two stipes for the top-class meetings. They have to take extensive courses run by the BHA to ensure they're au fait with the Association's rules (which are endless), on everything from what constitutes a wrong course, misuse of the whip, bumping, boring and barging to trainers and jockeys' behaviour, what begets a fine or a suspension, both, or onward referral for more serious incidents.

I don't suppose there'll ever be a concensus of agreement globally, but it would seem to be timely to at least discuss international rules of racing, so that one horse isn't advantaged or disadvantaged from country to country.
 
What happens if it's found that the Stewards aren't au-fait with the rules though?

There has been at least one incident this month where a rider has used a piece of equipment that is banned (or at least when someone else attempted to use the same equipment a week or so later they were told they weren't allowed). Would be interesting to know if Stewards are ever disciplined or replaced should such instances arise.
 
You've forgotten about Jane Stickels, Martin, and Miss Tonks, the stewards' secretary, both of whom were stood down from duties. Tonks resumed duties a couple of years later, having gone on a remedial course. But there are other eyes and ears which are employed to look out for things like tack - the stewards are closeted in a tiny room without any sight of the horses - they view everything through multi-screens (as you'll see if you watch the programme), and they're not able to see anything the camera doesn't obviously pick up.

You have a parade ring marshall, who's supposed to check that horses are wearing the correct number cloths, the correct tack, and that jockeys mount and get onto the track on time. He also assures that horses with permission from the stewards go to post early, take a pony, or don't have to parade if they're very difficult, but can be mounted in the pre-parade (like one of Gay Kelleway's years ago - was it LUNDY'S LAD?) and go straight to post. He is supposed to spot inconsistencies with declared tack and get it put right before the horses exit the ring. If he doesn't do his job properly or, as is often the case now, there isn't a marshall due to the BHA's incessant cutbacks of jobs it deems unnecessary, it isn't the stewards' fault.

Further to the BHA's attempts to cut back on 'unnecessary' raceday jobs, they've told Lingfield to drop the starter's signaller - the man with the flag who stands to the side of the stalls and indicates to the starter when all the handlers are out of the way, horses and jockeys are ready, and it's safe to start. Lingfield has protested on H&S grounds, but the BHA says the starter can handle radio contact and such duties for himself, including indicating a false start to the false start flagman down the track. Not that in any way one wishes these things to happen, but it's probably a matter of time for something to go wrong, and the starter can blame the BHA.

Anyway, back to responsibilities for tack: you have a starter and an assistant starter, both of whom are also supposed to check for discrepancies at the start - the parade ring marshall will radio if he hasn't stopped someone in time, to say Bonzo Dog will be arriving minus his tongue-tie, for example, or with cheekpieces which aren't declared. The trainer will then be referred to the stewards for not complying with what he's declared when he signs the horse in before racing. If the horse is fitted with an item that isn't declared, it's removed; if it hasn't got on what it's declared to have on, if there's time for the groom to rush the item to the start, it will be allowed to be put on, but there's no guarantee that there still won't be a fine for additions or omissions. That's one of the duties of the declarations clerk's job - to ensure that all relevant officials know which horses are wearing what - and the duty of the trainer or his rep to ensure such information is recorded on the declarations sheet first thing before racing. It's often a question of trainers forgetting to write up their horse's tack on this, than anything sinister, which causes problems. You might, for example, be switching from blinkers to cheekpieces that day, and inadvertently still write 'blinkers' as you're so used to that horse using them. But it's up to other raceday staff to check that tack is correct, not just the trainer. The stewards just get to handle the fall-out.
 
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When I'm typing this, I'm picturing a number of forumites falling off their chairs in tedium, and the questioner crying "I only asked!" before hitting the screen - but I do find what goes into structuring a day's racing very interesting myself, and can witter on unbridled because I do. (Guilty as charged, yeronner!)

Walsy - our long, long-serving starter's signaller at Lingfield is amazed by the BHA's decision, but it seems to be that it thinks a number of jobs aren't required, having previously insisted rigorously that they are! It's the same with some courses, though - on the one hand they decide to get shot of people doing the parade ring marshall job, leaving it up to the Clerk of the Course, then find themselves in difficulty when he's called to the weighing-room to deal with some issue, leaving the parade ring to sort itself out. This has led to tack cock-ups occurring, as he's not on duty to spot the one who should be tongue-tied and isn't.

There's this frantic buzz to save what are relatively little bits of money at some courses, while at the same time investing multi-millions in building onsite luxury facilities like spa hotels and shopping mall-sized grandstands, or swanky entrances with vastly expensive new ticketing systems that look good, but are hell to use in practical terms.
 
BHA has rightly reversed this preposterous decision.
Couldn't agree more and unfortunate that I missed this thread initially - Richard Hughes did absolutely everything right on the winner - putting his stick down initially and straightening Set To Go and then switching it to his right hand, whereas Paul Doe merely thrashed Lastkingofscotland mercilessly with his stick in the wrong hand and made no attempt to correct his mount at all. One of the worst decisions ever, imo.

It seems the ONLY factor some stewards are capable of understanding is that they should be mindful of the distance beaten in such enquiries - it doesn't seem to matter whether the winner is the one causing most interference. The scenario that whichever horse is called the winner in a tight photo where there has also been minor interference is almost certain to be disqualified is utterly bizarre but arguably true.
 
The price of the winner or 2nd should make no difrence to the outcome of a stewards enq, otherwize we heading down the extra time at Man U home games route,
 
We are going to see what happens in there....

Stewards' Enquiries are to be televised live during this year's Betfair King George VI meeting at Ascot (24th July) and Glorious Goodwood (30th and 31st July).
These live broadcasts continue the trial undertaken at the Investec Derby Festival so that those involved can assess feedback from both the public and participants.
ItJamie Stier, Head of Raceday Operations and Regulation at the British Horseracing Authority, said: "With there being no enquiries into the result of a race when the trial initially took place at the Investec Epsom Festival, we are delighted to be able to continue this trial at these high profile meetings. It is pleasing that the jockeys have thrown their support behind this trial continuing.
"Through this trial we hope that those watching at home will gain a more comprehensive understanding of the processes and considerations undertaken by the Stewards in determining the result of a race which is subject to an enquiry.''
Stewards Enquiries will be broadcast on both terrestrial and digital channels. Only those races shown on terrestrial television will be open to televised enquiries - races aired before or after on digital channels will not be open to filming.
 
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