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Newbury Hurdle entries.

Much depends on which horses turn up. Burdetts Road or 150 would see Joyeuse 123 carry 10st and very hard to beat despite his inexperience... last year 139 was the highest or.
 
Tanlic said:
Much depends on which horses turn up. Burdetts Road or 150 would see Joyeuse 123 carry 10st and very hard to beat despite his inexperience... last year 139 was the highest or.
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True about horses turning up.

Joyeuse keeping on well the last day over 2M4F though as if this trip would be too short for her. I hope she makes it on the day for you.

A mark of 123 surely won't be enough to get in.
 
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Desert Orchid said:
BZ wasn't off an inch that day. Will be a good stone better at Newbury if that is the target.
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You got some funny ideas about horses not being off...if he was stopped why did James Bowen come flying home...obviously that drew attention to the horse did it not? Last thing you would want when stopping one.
The truth is Bowen overdid the waiting targets and while others were taken off their feet trying to catch the leader his mount eventually got going last of all and run past a hoard of beaten horses. He covered the the ground late on much faster than the winner but that is only to be expected...personally I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole the gallop they go on the Betfair Hurdle as he could easily be taken off in his feet in what will be a much better race than Cheltenham was. Chances are Nicky could l be thinking Festival for him
 
Interesting.

I'd urge all forumites to view the race in question and I'd like to hear some more thoughts.

Tanlic has got a point, in that you really couldn't back the horse based on the first 1M 7F of the last race.

You wouldn't want to be that far back in this event either.

It's all about how he finishes in that final furlong though.

Was he just staying on against beaten horses?

Or not fully tuned up and being readied for another day?

I can't make my mind up, but I've got another four weeks to decide.
 
Marb said:
Interesting.

I'd urge all forumites to view the race in question and I'd like to hear some more thoughts.

Tanlic has got a point, in that you really couldn't back the horse based on the first 1M 7F of the last race.

You wouldn't want to be that far back in this event either.

It's all about how he finishes in that final furlong though.

Was he just staying on against beaten horses?

Or not fully tuned up and being readied for another day?

I can't make my mind up, but I've got another four weeks to decide.
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Fwiw,the pace was steady,they were virtually in line approaching the last,resulting in a sprint finish which wouldn't be a good guide for the 'Schweppes'.
For mine, a strongly run 2m should suit ,and that run wouldn't put me off.
Looked for all the world like a prep run,imo.
 
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He did run a stinker when he first joined Gary Moore but then won a couple of lesser races before running a blinder at Aintree when just failing to peg back a WPM mare. The worry is that form has proved to be worthless. His latest race was against moderate opposition and he's been hit with another 3lbs for his troubles...I think he'll find the Schweppes is not for small boys to play with
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Tanlic said:
He did run a stinker when he first joined Gary Moore but then won a couple of lesser races before running a blinder at Aintree when just failing to peg back a WPM mare. The worry is that form has proved to be worthless. His latest race was against moderate opposition and he's been hit with another 3lbs for his troubles...I think he'll find the Schweppes is not for small boys to play with
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She'll maybe not run there,but Nicky will figure her out,no doubt.
 
Marb said:
Interesting.

I'd urge all forumites to view the race in question and I'd like to hear some more thoughts.

Tanlic has got a point, in that you really couldn't back the horse based on the first 1M 7F of the last race.

You wouldn't want to be that far back in this event either.

It's all about how he finishes in that final furlong though.

Was he just staying on against beaten horses?

Or not fully tuned up and being readied for another day?

I can't make my mind up, but I've got another four weeks to decide.
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Bo Zenith and Willmount are both trained by Henderson and in the same ownership. To my eye this race was for Willmount, who is well regarded, with Bo Zenith, who was new to the yard, being given a run to see what he was like. Bo Zenith had already lost position and was in last place when Willmount fell and James Owen then started to get into the race, even then he didn’t give him a hard time and they must have been very pleased with what they saw. As a fact finding mission I doubt that Bo Zenith was “Henderson ready” - he will be next time.
 
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barjon said:
Bo Zenith and Willmount are both trained by Henderson and in the same ownership. To my eye this race was for Willmount, who is well regarded, with Bo Zenith, who was new to the yard, being given a run to see what he was like. Bo Zenith had already lost position and was in last place when Willmount fell and James Owen then started to get into the race, even then he didn’t give him a hard time and they must have been very pleased with what they saw. As a fact finding mission I doubt that Bo Zenith was “Henderson ready” - he will be next time.
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The market was a massive guide in that race too.

Willmount opened 5/1 SP 17/2
Bo Zenith opened 18/1 SP 7/1
 
I've re-watched the race with an imaginary big bet on Bo Zenith to see how critical I could be.

I've been watching racing for long enough to know that when something in a good midfield position gradually loses a lot of ground with the jockey making no effort to correct it then it is because the horse is not there to win that day.

The commentator said the pace was steady but I reckon the 27/28mph they were clocking through the race is better than that although much depends on the ground, which I'm not sure about that day.

The winner was clearly getting faster through the final stages and the chasing pack didn't exactly slow down so BZ did really well to come through nearly all of them.

I reckon had Bowen not made some kind of finishing effort the stewards would have had him in. He knew he had no chance from where he was and was in a position to appear to ride a finish.

But the bottom line is that he was not intending to win that race with that ride.
 
tiggers1972 said:
The market was a massive guide in that race too.

Willmount opened 5/1 SP 17/2
Bo Zenith opened 18/1 SP 7/1
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Ah! Didn’t look at that, tigs. I still think Willmount was their one, if only because of the way Bo Zenith was ridden in the race. (I was on Willmount, but hadn’t added because of the drift, so I would say that wouldn't i :).)
 
barjon said:
Ah! Didn’t look at that, tigs. I still think Willmount was their one, if only because of the way Bo Zenith was ridden in the race. (I was on Willmount, but hadn’t added because of the drift, so I would say that wouldn't i :).)
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I actually backed Bo Zenith about 5-10 minutes before the off, was on course and nearly fell over when I saw the SP's.
 
Impose Toi 16/1 & Kabral Du Mathan 16/1 would be my idea of a couple of spots of EW value at this stage.

I can't help thinking that it was a mistake running Burdett Road over Christmas at Kempton, had he missed the Christmas Hurdle and come straight here then he would be able to race of a mark of 142 rather than the 150 that he went up to.
 
Tanlic said:
You got some funny ideas about horses not being off...if he was stopped why did James Bowen come flying home...obviously that drew attention to the horse did it not? Last thing you would want when stopping one.
The truth is Bowen overdid the waiting targets and while others were taken off their feet trying to catch the leader his mount eventually got going last of all and run past a hoard of beaten horses. He covered the the ground late on much faster than the winner but that is only to be expected...personally I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole the gallop they go on the Betfair Hurdle as he could easily be taken off in his feet in what will be a much better race than Cheltenham was. Chances are Nicky could l be thinking Festival for him
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'Personally I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole'.

I reckon fav backers will be thinking the same after today.

Fair to play you, Tan.

You called it right.

That's one less to worry about for Newbury.
 
Desert Orchid said:
I've re-watched the race with an imaginary big bet on Bo Zenith to see how critical I could be.

I've been watching racing for long enough to know that when something in a good midfield position gradually loses a lot of ground with the jockey making no effort to correct it then it is because the horse is not there to win that day.

The commentator said the pace was steady but I reckon the 27/28mph they were clocking through the race is better than that although much depends on the ground, which I'm not sure about that day.

The winner was clearly getting faster through the final stages and the chasing pack didn't exactly slow down so BZ did really well to come through nearly all of them.

I reckon had Bowen not made some kind of finishing effort the stewards would have had him in. He knew he had no chance from where he was and was in a position to appear to ride a finish.

But the bottom line is that he was not intending to win that race with that ride.
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Don't say zi didn't warn you. You come up with some great posts there's no denying that but your big weakness is your conspiracy theories... They don't stop horses as many times as you seem to think. As I said at the time you don't come flying through the field like an express train if your stopping one...had he been good enough to stop he'd have finished stone last and no one would have given him a second look
 
I let today's race go because it looked like a non-triers' convention, certainly as far as the Hendo runners were concerned. I reckon only the first three home were genuinely there trying to win.

There are much bigger prizes ahead for them.

What better way to get BZ back off everybody's radar than to get him beat as fav or near-fav on Saturday TV race? I might have wondered if NdB had ridden him today but DTG didn't look to have a great chance and he opted for him.

I won't be in the least surprised iff all three turn up in the big handicaps at the festival, if not the Schweppes.
 
Marb said:
'Personally I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole'.

I reckon fav backers will be thinking the same after today.

Fair to play you, Tan.

You called it right.

That's one less to worry about for Newbury.
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I got one for Newbury but will wait to check a few things out and see what ends up with Too weight
 
I need a boot in the ass..I just looked to see what my secret weapon was doing in the market and the friggin thing won Yesterday...I suppose Secret Squirrel will now carry a penalty duh...
 
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