Point Blank: What Was Philip Byrnes’ Last Thought

[Slim]

Point Blank: What Was Philip Byrnes’ Last Thought

I don’t need analysis from Ted Walsh, Leighton Aspell or Davy Russell.

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[Bulletproof]

'I must time it right'

 

[an capall]

I don't even see where the 'risk of injury' they all spoke about was coming from, Slimmers. It was soft bunny hop, without any hazrad coming from behind him. As somebody on here might put it, 'there'd be a greater risk of injury rolling off me mott's sister.'

 

[Slim]

I don't even see where the 'risk of injury' they all spoke about was coming from, Slimmers. It was soft bunny hop, without any hazrad coming from behind him. As somebody on here might put it, 'there'd be a greater risk of injury rolling off me mott's sister.'

It's important in terms of weighing it up versus the cost of winning.

 

[an capall]

I get that. I just thought it cringey all his inside supporters telling the ignorant public that the risk of certain death would dissuade anybody from leaping off a moving horse. The dive was so managed that the most he risked was a mild bruise to his left buttock.

 

[Slim]

I get that. I just thought it cringey all his inside supporters telling the ignorant public that the risk of certain death would dissuade anybody from leaping off a moving horse. The dive was so managed that the most he risked was a mild bruise to his left buttock.

If will be a disgrace if they don't take the licence off him. They set a dangerous precedent letting Hogan off over the Dundalk clsimer.

 

[Ian_Davies]

I only just noticed this (busy morning) and, pretty much as ever, a fascinating read in my (never-particularly-humble) opinion.

Predictably (Slim would have taken tens on) I'm going to sound a note of legal (did I ever mention I have a Law degree?) caution.

It wasn't a courtroom at the hearing, and it isn't a courtroom here either.

But I've spent much of my adult life sailing just close enough to the wind, but never that bit too close, to end up in one.

I've been threatened by legal action (and being target for a hit and run by a Bishop Auckland bus) but it's never actually happened.

Because, like the late Lemmy in Motörhead in Stay Clean, "I know the way, I know the Law" and anyone who ever went to a solicitor to moan about me would have been told they didn't (quite) have a case.

Since social media, you can't move for libellous allegations.

Fortunately for the hordes of social media big gobs, libelling (alleging something you can't subsequently prove in court) someone requires more than what's in the above brackets - "Did the target actually suffer a loss, material or detrimental to life quality? How many people even read it?"

That sort of thing.

Slim's only saying what many have said in the wake of this incident - Byrnes can't sue them all - but even so there are statements in this sub stack I wouldn't have made.

Nothing financially to gain, an albeit extremely remote chance of plenty to lose - a hiding to nothing, as they used to say.

But that aside, and maybe even because of it, another cracking read, I'd say (and just did).

Especially the stuff about a wider betting market globally beyond Betfair Exchange.

I personally think it's impossible to prove Byrnes deliberately exited the saddle per se, and the only thing that would establish beyond reasonable doubt that he did would be a betting and communication trail leading directly from him to those who profited on the betting markets from this event - the mere fact people did profit in an eye catching manner is not enough.

But I'm not Slim and this is just one reason why Slim is so much more interesting to read than Mr Risk Averse here.

Slim sails close to the wind so we (and especially me) don't have to.

 

[Nfehily19]

If will be a disgrace if they don't take the licence off him. They set a dangerous precedent letting Hogan off over the Dundalk clsimer.

There's more chance of Man Utd winning the treble than anyone losing their license over this I'm afraid.
The game is just too cliquey and bent for that to happen imo.

 

[Slim]

I framed the article in the correct way. My point is that I don't think the case should be adjudicated on the footage and nothing else. That's the only way to clean up the rot. Denis Hogan should never have got away with the Dundalk claimer. There is nothing libelous in what I said. I'm giving an opinion on freely available footage of this race.

 

[Grey]

Justice Kelly is waiting for the transcript to become available before making up his mind in this case. No doubt it is expected to contain deeper intelligence on who might be involved behind the scenes.

I'll save him the bother, here's my version of the passage he's looking for. Philip Byrnes may or may not have told the hearing: "Of course I was trying to save my sKIN, AHA! Nobody should be in any doubt about that".

 

[Generous1991]

There is nothing libelous in what I said. I'm giving an opinion on freely available footage of this race.

I agree. Anyone is allowed to express an opinion as to what the footage shows. As no-one can know what he was thinking when he departed from the horse, it can only ever be an opinion, and everyone reading knows it's an opinion and can see the footage for themselves. If your opinion is that it's obvious he jumped, to say so is not defamatory.

 

[Ian_Davies]

If your opinion is that it's obvious he jumped, to say so is not defamatory.

That's not been my understanding of how the Law works these past 40 years, tbh.

But I've had my say earlier in the thread and to add to it would merely be to repeat myself.

I have private opinions on all manner of things I couldn't actually prove in a court of law - that's why those opinions stay private.

 

[Slim]

That's not been my understanding of how the Law works these past 40 years, tbh.

But I've had my say earlier in the thread and to add to it would merely be to repeat myself.

I have private opinions on all manner of things I couldn't actually prove in a court of law - that's why those opinions stay private.

They'll be a long time litigating all the people that hold the same opinion as me.

 

[Ian_Davies]

They'll be a long time litigating all the people that hold the same opinion as me.

For sure (think I alluded to it earlier in the thread) - there will be literally hundreds who've publicly expressed the same opinion and there can be safety in numbers.

But the higher the profile, the bigger the audience and those are the people who get targeted for litigation if such high-profile people express an opinion which is potentially defamatory and libellous if unable to be proven to be true.

 

[Slim]

For sure (think I alluded to it earlier in the thread) - there will be literally hundreds who've publicly expressed the same opinion and there can be safety in numbers.

But the higher the profile, the bigger the audience and those are the people who get targeted for litigation if such high-profile people express an opinion which is potentially defamatory and libellous if unable to be proven to be true.

Funny you mention that. Jane Mangan was clearly not happy seeing me in Thurles today!

 

[Ian_Davies]

Funny you mention that. Jane Mangan was clearly not happy seeing me in Thurles today!

When you eventually rise to dominate all racing and betting media (as you inevitably will if you cba to) and if we are still on speaking terms at that juncture, your phone will be forever going off like an Uzi with messages from me saying: "You're read and watched/listened to by MILLIONS, you can't say THAT, you'd never be able to prove it and you'll end up in the fecking DOCK."

And it's 1.01 that, if you reply at all, it will be: "If I ever want your opinion, I'll ask for it - now feck off."

Shame we can't get a bet on it, really.

 

[Slim]

When you eventually rise to dominate all racing and betting media (as you inevitably will if you cba to) and if we are still on speaking terms at that juncture, your phone will be forever going off like an Uzi with messages from me saying: "You're read and watched/listened to by MILLIONS, you can't say THAT, you'd never be able to prove it and you'll end up in the fecking DOCK."

And it's 1.01 that, if you reply at all, it will be: "If I ever want your opinion, I'll ask for it - now feck off."

Shame we can't get a bet on it, really.

f%*& off*