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Quality, quality, quality. Hmmm

yorick

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Four flat meetings in the UK today; three turf and one cat litter.

Twenty -six races in all of which:

Class 6 - 10
Class 5 - 12
Class 4 - 3
Class 3 - 1

5f -2
6f - 10
7f - 2
1m - 8
1m 1f - 1
!m 2f - 3
1m 3f - 1
1m 4f - 1

no races above Cl 3
No races beyond 1m 4f

So, low, low grade races. Mostly sprints, fewer and fewer staying races (take too long)

This is midweek racing fare personified.

If the racing authorities think this is the way to keep British racing vibrant, exciting and buoyant, they must have very limited imaginations.

It's a clear case of the product being run solely for the bookmakers.

It's no wonder that so many punters are deserting.

No bets for me today.

It's chronic.
 
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The trouble is that the BHA also desperately need to keep owners in the game and the huge majority of them have lower grade horses. These owners are in it for the experience rather than the money so there needs to be enough races to cater for them.

People whinge about small fields for the top races yet, in the same week that the RP is going on about the crisis of a potential tax rise, the BHA up the King George prize-money to £2M to the benefit of a tiny fraction of stakeholders.
 
Midweek racing should be barge-pole stuff for any punter with no inside information or a genuine edge of their own.

I have neither so leave it well alone. Normally I wouldn't be able to tell you which courses have meetings on any given midweek day.
 
Low-grade midweek horse racing is the new graded greyhound racing - it's for those who want a bet every day and it's not targeted at serious punters, nothing is, as serious punters if they win are net negative contributors to the Levy.

I tend to bet nowadays on Saturday meetings and the big Festivals and I seldom have a bet below a Class 3 Handicap unless a reliable source has marked my card.
 
Just as an aside—this is a good example of why sticking to distance races narrows down how many you need to study. In my view, they’re also better betting races. Today, I only looked at anything 10f+ on the flat and the bumper at Cork.
 
Just as an aside—this is a good example of why sticking to distance races narrows down how many you need to study. In my view, they’re also better betting races. Today, I only looked at anything 10f+ on the flat and the bumper at Cork.
I agree except that my 'edge' is concentrating on staying races. As you can see, there aren't any.

I some time ago asked the BHA to furnish me with the totals of races over 1m6f and up for the last five seasons. I've just emailed them again to get an update for the season 24 Turf and AW
 
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I agree except that my 'edge' is concentrating on staying races. As you can see, there aren't any.

I some time ago asked the BHA to furnish me with the totals of races over 1m6f and up for the last five seasons. I've just emailed them again to get an update for the season 25 Turf and AW
My stance is always that your job and my job is to back winners. f%*& the BHA.
 
The BHA, quite apart from being rife with nepotism, are only interested in people who put more money into racing than they take out.

Losing punters, racegoers, owners of unsuccessful racehorses.

If you finish any year in front as a punter, your contribution to the Levy was negative.

It's actually a minor miracle the BHA provides any data for punters at all.

Don't go racing (unless you're poncing a freebie) and finish every year as far in profit as you know how.

You'll improve the quality of your life, while upsetting people who are each tens on to have been privately educated - it's a win-win.
 
The BHA, quite apart from being rife with nepotism, are only interested in people who put more money into racing than they take out.

Losing punters, racegoers, owners of unsuccessful racehorses.

If you finish any year in front as a punter, your contribution to the Levy was negative.

It's actually a minor miracle the BHA provides any data for punters at all.

Don't go racing (unless you're poncing a freebie) and finish every year as far in profit as you know how.

You'll improve the quality of your life, while upsetting people who are each tens on to have been privately educated - it's a win-win.

We agree on a lot of things. It's worrying in its own way
 
I've genuinely never understood why punters want to solve racing. It's not your job and the likes of Patrick Veitch hasn't been able to make a real impact.
 
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I've genuinely never understood why punters want to solve racing. It's not your job and the likes of Patrick Veitch hasn't been able to make a deal impact.
💯%.

Because racing, unlike football, is a "minority," "niche," sport there's this mad expectation that everyone who follows the game should be some sort of unpaid ambassador and advocate for it to the public and the really sad thing is that a lot of people who like racing fall for it and if the BHA or racing media tell them to sign petitions, write to MPs etc they do it like sheep.

It's not a punter's fecking job to save racing - they're not on the BHA payroll and never will be.

Don't do anything unpaid for anyone else ever because they won't do anything unpaid for you.

Just make the most of the betting opportunities and the game itself while it lasts.

I think for a lot of racing fans it dates back to Grand National Day in their youth where, as "the racing and betting guy," friends and family came to them for a tip.

It was the one day of the year when they felt important and centre of attention.

Try to do what I did back then and tell the lot of them to feck off and pick and back their own horse because you won't be copping any of their profits if the horse wins, so you're not copping any backchat if the horse gets beat,

Ok, I will fess up to one exception - I backed Aldaniti for Hilary Cooke in 1981.

But she was fit as ffs! 😂
 
The BHA, quite apart from being rife with nepotism, are only interested in people who put more money into racing than they take out.

Losing punters, racegoers, owners of unsuccessful racehorses.

If you finish any year in front as a punter, your contribution to the Levy was negative.

It's actually a minor miracle the BHA provides any data for punters at all.

Don't go racing (unless you're poncing a freebie) and finish every year as far in profit as you know how.

You'll improve the quality of your life, while upsetting people who are each tens on to have been privately educated - it's a win-win.
It comes under the heading 'How may I appear to help you?'
 
I agree except that my 'edge' is concentrating on staying races. As you can see, there aren't any.

I some time ago asked the BHA to furnish me with the totals of races over 1m6f and up for the last five seasons. I've just emailed them again to get an update for the season 24 Turf and AW
races >= 3080y in UK since 2000

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The fab for breeders wanting speedier types of horses plays into what's going on. In Japan they breed top class sprinters and also horses top class up to 2m. I'd be bored rigid watching heaps up to a mile at a meeting. Chester cup day has a very large crowd and a very varied card. Revolutionary. Who would have thunk it.
 
Three bets today, 13/8 and 6/4 winners and one loser. I prefer low grade races, not sure if I have an edge but happy with what I’m doing.
 
Thanks for that, P.

So, from 2019 to 2024 these staying races (per season) have dropped consistently from 202 to 182: a fall of 10% in 5 years.

I know some might state that there lies, damn lies and statistics but.....
You could say in the UK there's been a gradual decline in staying flat hcaps since 2013 but a gradual increase in staying aw hcaps.

I wonder what happened in 2005 and 2006 re the drop in staying flat stks and aw stks races in the UK

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Don't do anything unpaid for anyone else ever because they won't do anything unpaid for you.

Whilst I've been enjoying reading some of the discussions on here recently between you Slim and others this has to be one of the saddest things I've ever read. I know you're a self confessed Narcissist and there'll be no need to reiterate that point as there are only 2 kinds of people who can get away with that sort of attitude and get away with it long term . Narcissists and Psychopaths.

I can see the attraction of the lifestyle Ian it's bloody easy isn't it. If you're a half competent male in this world and you've only ever got to look after yourself and to hell with everybody else and the rest of the world then life is just a piece of piss.

I'm probably the polar opposite of you in terms of the way I live my life. I grown up surrounded by people who struggle, helpless people who just struggle in life and some just purely broken people from the harsher lives they've been dealt. From my own Mom and Dad to seemingly most people who surround me. Tbf for a long time i was fairly broken and clueless myself and whilst I'm still patching over the cracks I'm a lot more clued up than I once was, I dragged myself out of it and built some form of better life.

I've found through doing it myself I've learned from mistakes and is was a really long and difficult process which could of been easier had I received a helping hand or a nugget of guidance here and there. In fairness I'd have probably refused or ignored any help or guidance as I was stubborn and pig headed and so used to doing things alone. However having learned those lessons it cost me nothing to pass them on and help some troubled young lads along the way. Now i'm financially fairly sound I don't mind helping others out whether that's digging them out of a bit of a hole, or just explaining better ways of doing things. Do i expect anything back absolutely not for one what have they got to give ? And secondly what is it that I want ? Nothing.

See I struggle more now mentally than I ever have done in life. I always said I found life easier when I was struggling. Why ? Because you have no options, no time to think you just have to do what you have to do, do the work, pay who you've got to pay and start again the next week. It's a simple life. When the struggle stops, and you get chance to look up, you get chance to think and more and more options start to appear that for me is when problems really start. You get to ask questions like what do I actually want ? I have no idea. What did you do all of this for ? Again I have no idea.

I don't watch many films these daysI watched Pulp fiction as a kid and like all young lads would run around quoting the Samuel L Jackson line but not much thought for the meaning of any of it and usually most focussed on the "Vengeance" element of it but it was only later in life when I re watched it I found I focus on "The shepherd the weak, through the valley of darkness". This world is ever rapidly becoming a dark and nasty place and the selfish grow in numbers as do the weak. I hear a lot of people bemoaning the state of the world without actually doing anything about it. There was a meme with Jordan Peterson going around a few years back about tidying your room. Whilst a lot of people mock it and him, the basic premise of it was that a lot of people are out there protesting about issues that are so complicated they are complicated beyond belief and they think they know how to fix them, meanwhile they are living at their parents and can't even sort out their own bedrooms never mind the world. The extension of this that once you can carry your own weight in the world then you can proceed with trying to help people and the better you get at solving problems the more complicated problems you can start to attend to and the more people you can help.

There was another film I loved as a kid it was pay it forward the simple idea a boy has that he'll do something good for someone and in return they do something good for 3 people. I was always amazed that in effect this simple idea if carried through would actually solve all the worlds problems and yet everybody else probably had that thought and went about their business. A couple of weeks ago I was having phone calls at home left right and centre from different people needing help from family needing help with jobs, to a lad I know who'd gone to jail to a lad at work who needed my help save his job after a gross misconduct incident which luckily I managed to do. My Mrs asked me why everyone always comes to me, because on this occasion they were people she didn't know and tbh I didn't know them that well either . I just replied because they can, and isn't it sad that they've got no-one else they trust more than a lad they barely know from work.

Anyway I've sort of rambled on. But when you say do nothing for anyone for free offered out as some sort advice, as I say if people are fortunate enough to be a Narcissist or a Psychopath then they might get away with that. Otherwise my advice would be if you are able, help as many people as you can as often as you can and ask for as little as possible in return as possible. If you are competent, strong or knowledgeable then help the weak through the valley of darkness. Why help people? quite simply because, you can. It's not an easy life in fact it can be heartbreaking, cruel and difficult and will certainly take it's toll but perhaps there is reward to be found in the world not being as completely fucked as it would be without you.
 
That was an interesting read, Danny.

There is an answer to it - and it could be even longer than the one you wrote - but to keep it brief I'd say there is a distinction between not helping the sort of people who work at the BHA and extending it to every walk of life.

I sense we've been getting along better lately and I hope this doesn't colour that.

PS: A former close female friend of mine would correct you - her affectionate nickname for me was "Sociopath Bear," not psychopath.

Needless to say it was a nickname I loved and wore with pride.

Each to their own.

Best not to take me too literally, I think - the tongue is never far from the cheek with me.
 
Good on you, Danny. The world is indeed a shite place, without the helping hand of others. There’s no better feeling than exchanging a thank you and a smile with a stranger you have helped, or they have helped you.
 
I sense we've been getting along better lately and I hope this doesn't colour that.

Certainly not. From my end I've never thought that we didn't get along. We have different views on some things but id struggle to meet anyone ive ever agreed with on everything. I enjoy reading your pieces I get your sense of humour and the thing I like on here is there are people who are much more articulate and better with words than myself. You, Slim, Jinny, Colm and various others all different styles but all wonderfully articulate and well educated.

Tbh most horse racing forums are dying a death but this one seems to have been reinvigorated. It's good to see. Along side that I've seen a lot of smoke and mirrors punters who claim to be good and to make money and I know they are full of shit im fairly good at spotting the difference.This place now has at least half a dozen punters who i know really know their stuff and are the real deal where it comes to making money from horse racing. Thats a rare thing and hope it lasts for a good while yet.
 

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