Rich Ricci

He doesn't do as much media these days anyway.

Sharjah is an interesting one now for sure. Won like a good horse today but not sure the form of the race will lead to much.

Id love them to be more ambitious with the mare but that won't happen
 
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That’s Senewalk who was very much found out and Annamix now now too who looks like he’ll struggle to win a maiden hurdle!!

Both hyped out of it before they even saw a track.


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Interesting that the same was said about Faugheen, Douvan, Min, Melon (not ricci obviously) etc. Before doing anything on the track, there were plenty taking on the talking horses. Never sure who it is that is doing the hyping other than the media adding two and two together and hoping it makes four, or bookies who have been asked for a ante post price for 200 quid. Senewalk and Annamix were potentially very good hurdling prospects in the hands of someone that had a history of succeeding with that type. Sometimes it works out sometimes it doesn't.
 
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Interesting that the same was said about Faugheen, Douvan, Min, Melon (not ricci obviously) etc. Before doing anything on the track, there were plenty taking on the talking horses. Never sure who it is that is doing the hyping other than the media adding two and two together and hoping it makes four, or bookies who have been asked for a ante post price for 200 quid. Senewalk and Annamix were potentially very good hurdling prospects in the hands of someone that had a history of succeeding with that type. Sometimes it works out sometimes it doesn't.
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On the latter point HW Annamix’s french form was poor. He lacked a gear there and then he was bought for crazy money. He was over hyped and l 50% of anteposts for the Supreme were on him last year and 40% this year went on him suggesting the word filtering from the yard was strong. Those bets look more than foolish now. I haven’t looked at Senewalks French form but his Irish form is more than enough for me.

The other horses you mentioned all lived up to the hype. When it doesn’t work out it needs to be addressed in the sane way it’s hearkded when it does. Ricci went through a 4 or 5 year spell where anything he bought turned to gold. That couldn’t last and it looks to be drying up.


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Can't see why hype, whether lived up to or not, needs to be addressed at all.

Maximising the horse's potential is the only thing that matters. Whether its Senewalk, Annamix, or Sharjah who has won 400K+ in 6 months without ever being first choice for stable jockey it is irrelevant. If some of Ricci's or Mullins's coterie have made some cash by punting on his unheard o horses ante post in the past doesn't mean it will happen ever year.

Now, if Ricci is overpaying for his horses now, or not getting first pick from France, then its a different discussion.
 
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Can't see why hype, whether lived up to or not, needs to be addressed at all.

Maximising the horse's potential is the only thing that matters. Whether its Senewalk, Annamix, or Sharjah who has won 400K+ in 6 months without ever being first choice for stable jockey it is irrelevant. If some of Ricci's or Mullins's coterie have made some cash by punting on his unheard o horses ante post in the past doesn't mean it will happen ever year.

Now, if Ricci is overpaying for his horses now, or not getting first pick from France, then its a different discussion.
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Difference of opinion HW. When a horse takes a massive percentage of ante posts, having been bought for huge money, and then flops massively it’s surely that’s a starting point for discussion. This is after all a horse racing forum.


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I don't get what the discussion point is.

Its not like we are saying that Willie Mullins has forgotten how to train horses, novice hurdlers, or is it just novice hurdlers in Rich Ricci's colours? Or is it the meaningless nature of Supreme Novice antepost early in the season, and the dangers of reading anything into it before a horse makes its debut. Surely, in a horse racing forum, these are all too obvious. The dangers of once raced maidens being guineas favourite is 30 years old at this stage.

Because otherwise it is 'Promising young horse fails to meet potential.' Is that the discussion point? Again, seems very very obvious to me that some horses fail to meet their initial potential, and some do. Something again that happens all big stables every year.

Now, if there is a pecking order in Mullins stable as to who gets which horse sourced in France and why Ricci doesn't own Laurina for instance, that would be of interest, for me at least.
 
I cannot imagine WPM being anything but fair to all concerned.
If you fall into the trap of favouring one client over another you would never sell a horse if the "big" owner does not buy it.
There was a suspicion in the last few years expressed by a few (not on here) that Supreme were only getting the Ricci/Giggi cast offs, which looks nonsensical now.
I remember Cheltenham Tuesday early the day Road To Riches was declared for Ryanair Chase as opposed to Gold Cup.
Noel Meade took it very badly and WPM and team spent the morning consoling him as best they could; I imagine WPM's eyes were open to the consequences of that beholden to ANY owner, not just the ones that left.
I have heard since how his honesty with one owner over a horse that had not progressed as expected resulted with that owner sending multiple horses to Closutton ( unconfirmed thunder but indicative of honesty all the same).
 
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Well worst fears came to pass and I got my answer why Melon wasn't favourite for the race. Nowhere near match fit and laid accordingly.

16 from 19 horses 2/1 or less heavily laid have been beaten in the last fortnight and 8 form 9 odds on shots. all bar one were fav.

Ok they are not running well but that doesn't mean info isn't being passed on to gamblers like it was with the 200,000 pounds investigation that lasted 30 seconds.

Mullins claims nothing to do with him but really?..........at least JO laughs when he says that
 
888 is to buy Betbright's sports betting platform for £15million, maybe the end of the Betbright brand.
 
Seems customers have just 30 days to access their account and withdraw their funds,( also I think all ante post bets have been cancelled, but don't take it as gospel)
 
Pay £15m and then **** off the customer base.
Seems like a interesting strategy????
 
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Why knock a guy who was smart enough to make over 100,000 million.

Bushiness is not a game or maybe it is a game but either way there are winners and losers.

He was smart enough to be a winner and I don't see the the Fraud Squad or FBI knocking down his front door.
 
Has Betbright been taken over, or have 888 just bought the customer base?

If it's the former then they are surely legally required to honour the antepost bets?
 
Okay in which case punters surely have a contract with Betbright for the bets they've made? Surely they can't unilaterally cancel them if they are a solvent business.

This smacks of cashflow problems and potential future liabilities not able to be met. The large sums surrounding the Festival is the time it would be flushed out. I wouldn't be surprised to hear the purchase of the tech funded the hole. There will surely be an investigation here. Nothing about it sits right.
 
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]I[/FONT]t may be just six days until the start of the Cheltenham but there are no apologies this morning for bringing football into the discussion, since the details of just two bets with the now ex-bookie BetBright hint at the scale of the injustice which will be inflicted on punters if, as currently seems possible, it is allowed to simply walk away from its ante-post liabilities.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Guardian has seen details of two bets placed by the same BetBright customer last year. The first was a £100 each-way double on Luton in League One at 14-1 and Lincoln in League Two at 10-1. The second was a £25 each-way Trixie – three doubles and a treble – on Lincoln (4-1), Leeds United in the Championship at 5-1 and Arbroath, in League One in Scotland at 6-1.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Luton, Lincoln and Arbroath currently top their respective divisions by five, two and 14 points respectively, while Leeds are two points behind Norwich at the top and seven clear of WBA in fourth. The book is effectively closed on Arbroath, who are now top-priced at 1-50, while Leeds, Luton and Lincoln are 5-2, 4-11 and 11-10 respectively.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The each-way double has a potential pay-out of £18,075 including the initial £200 stake, while the Trixie would return £8,584 for the same initial stake if all three teams win their divisions.[/FONT]<aside class="element element-rich-link element--thumbnail element-rich-link--upgraded" data-component="rich-link" data-link-name="rich-link-2 | 1" style="display: block; float: left; margin: 0.3125rem 1.25rem 0.75rem -15rem; clear: left; width: 13.75rem; color: rgb(18, 18, 18); font-family: "Guardian Text Egyptian Web", Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">
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[FONT=&quot][h=2]Anger as BetBright ceases trading and declares void all unsettled bets[/h][/FONT]
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</aside>[FONT=&quot]Early on Tuesday afternoon, however, BetBright decided that, from midnight, all bets were off and stakes were to be refunded. There was no offer to honour their side of the bets, no chance of a cash-out – which in this case alone would have run to several thousand pounds – and not even the first suggestion of an apology.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Two aspects of this indefensible conduct set it apart from run-of-the-mill stories where a bookie goes bust and leaves punters out of pocket.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The first is that BetBright has not gone bust. Its former executive chairman sold it to a rival operator, 888.com, for £15m on Monday but the sale price covered only BetBright’s high-end technology, and not its outstanding liabilities.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The second is that the former executive chairman concerned is none other than Rich Ricci, one of National Hunt’s most successful owners and certainly – thanks to his taste for loud suits and sunshades in all weathers – one of the most visible. His likely runners at Cheltenham next week include Benie Des Dieux, 11-10 favourite for the Mares’ Hurdle on Tuesday, and Min, the second-favourite for the Champion Chase.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]It may seem astonishing that a bookmaker with a market value of £15m can simply shut up shop and walk away from potential liabilities that, if the case detailed above is any guide, must run well into six figures. All the cancelled bets were placed in good faith with a firm that sponsored several major races and events and was also the shirt sponsor of Championship side Nottingham Forest. Ricci’s familiarity and prominence as a racehorse owner may also have offered reassurance to punters that BetBright was no fly-by-night operation.[/FONT]<aside class="element element-rich-link element--thumbnail element-rich-link--upgraded" data-component="rich-link" data-link-name="rich-link-2 | 2" style="display: block; float: left; margin: 0.3125rem 1.25rem 0.75rem -15rem; clear: left; width: 13.75rem; color: rgb(18, 18, 18); font-family: "Guardian Text Egyptian Web", Georgia, serif; font-size: 17px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">
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[FONT=&quot]Just a week before the Cheltenham Festival, however, its former customers have been left in the lurch and seemingly with nowhere to turn. The Gambling Commission, the industry’s regulator, has so far issued only a feeble, one-line statement that it has “received a number of complaints about this matter” and is “making further enquiries”.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The GC’s mission statement, as has been pointed out here many times, includes a claim that it will ensure gambling is conducted in a “fair and open” way. But it should not need to make any “further enquiries” to appreciate the blatant unfairness in a case which also seems to highlight a gaping hole in the law. If BetBright is allowed to get away with cancelling its outstanding bets, what is there to prevent someone from setting up as a bookie, laying ante-post bets and then shutting up shop if their positions turn sour?
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Sean Graham, Terry Rogers et al would never have behaved in such a manner.
Even the day a) Gary Wiltshire was scalped by Frankie's 7 timer at Ascot or b)Seamus Mulvany was creamed at Galway when Missunited won at Goodwood everyone was paid.
 
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