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I won't even be considering any of the runners from the Champion Hurdle next season the 3 novices from the Supreme plus Our Conor and The New One all look exceptional.
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I won't even be considering any of the runners from the Champion Hurdle next season the 3 novices from the Supreme plus Our Conor and The New One all look exceptional.
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he gave that a good ride Hamm
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Very patient.excellent
chroniclandlord
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I've always felt Casey was under rated, unlucky to come up against one with so much in hand.
Martin and Cooper are both having great weeks.
Martin and Cooper are both having great weeks.
EC1
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aye..he's a lucky lad getting 3 cheltenham winners
EC1
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don't know..and don't care..i don't usually give a fig about rides but the McCoy thing with SDC stiknks to high hell
The answer is zero.
It doesn't stink at all. I fancy the Henderson duo and will back accordingly, and would be much happier if Cooper up rather than McCoy. What does Cooper know about winning a Championship race? Nada. Yes, he's riding very well, but having McCoy up is definitely the right decision from where I am sitting and a positive for SDC.
It doesn't stink at all. I fancy the Henderson duo and will back accordingly, and would be much happier if Cooper up rather than McCoy. What does Cooper know about winning a Championship race? Nada. Yes, he's riding very well, but having McCoy up is definitely the right decision from where I am sitting and a positive for SDC.
why always the paranoid digs? Every year...
There was a piece in RP recently about the number of odds on races run in ireland this year. How its become a bore for punters and bookmakers.
Very exciting horse though. Next year will be a whole new picture in the hurdling division i believe and a really fascinating one at that
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I agree with you Clivex. The praise for Irish novices on here has been across the board.
I was massively against Pont Alexandre as his price was all hype from running in races alien to Cheltenham. I thought the reverse was true for Champagne Fever and thought he was excellent.
I haven't seen any negative comments.
I was massively against Pont Alexandre as his price was all hype from running in races alien to Cheltenham. I thought the reverse was true for Champagne Fever and thought he was excellent.
I haven't seen any negative comments.
granger
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Hurricane will be giving Our Conor 4lbs if they line up in the morgiana later in the year
Tanlic
Senior Jockey
The way that thing won today he should be giving Hurricane Fly weight. There's always the chance he loved the ground, while the rest hated it and he was flattered but the time and the style of his win would suggest he's the real deal.
If you take him out of the race Far West would have been an impressive winner and he'd have been 10's or less for years Champion Hurdle. My first thoughts are Golden Cygent if this horses progresses he could be that good.
However I doubt if they will be in a hurry to take on Hurricane Fly. Surely they will want to give him all the chance in the world to improve and put him away until next year?
If you take him out of the race Far West would have been an impressive winner and he'd have been 10's or less for years Champion Hurdle. My first thoughts are Golden Cygent if this horses progresses he could be that good.
However I doubt if they will be in a hurry to take on Hurricane Fly. Surely they will want to give him all the chance in the world to improve and put him away until next year?
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granger
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Prob run at Punchestown I'd imagine. Won't leave juvenile company
Tanlic
Senior Jockey
Funny that he should do so well he was recently put forward as the most likely future champion by Davy Russel who knows a bit about the game.
Top trainers are top trainers because they buy and train the best possible horses money can buy they also employ the best jockey's that they can lay their hands on. Ruby rides for not one of the best trainers in the game but two so either he's everything they say he is or we got two very stupid trainers out there.
Nicky Henderson's has done it all and seen it all so what did he do when Fitz retired he got the best around to take his place.
McCoy Walsh and Geraghty never got where they are today riding great horses from day 1 they came up through the ranks like they all have to do.
You can argue Ruby is a Walsh he was born into it but so are man other jockeys but they aren't employed by Mullins and Nichols.
Occasionally jockey get praise they perhaps don't deserve but this wasn't one of them.............how do you think Cooper would have done on the horse our Jane fell off? He would at least looked where he was going
Agree entirely . Find it hard to believe Champagne Fever would have beaten MTOY on Tuesday but for such a pitch perfect ride.
EC1
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the time angle re Our Conor and the county hurdle was trashed imo..the rain really got into that ground even in just 35 minutes
but..there was a reaaly good guide to Our Conor and Champagne Fever when they ran at Leopardstown
the fastest race for class that day was the 2m2f race won by Summer Star..a race where the 1st, 3rd + 4th have come out since and franked that form
2m2f
Summer Star = 4m 28.80s (slow by 15.80s)
Champagne Fever = 4m 22.90s (slow by 9.90s)
Summer Star can be rated about a 108 horse...minus mares allowance =101...... as has won off that mark since..she carried 10.1..
CF carried 11.10 and ran 5.9 seconds faster..which makes Champagne Fever about a 163 horse
Our Conor won the 2 mile race in 9.9 seconds slower than standard..corrected for distance makes him 8lb slower than CF +10 less carried = 145 + 7lb wfa = 152
that looks more likely than Our Conor giving weight and 5 second beating to Ted Veale
I'm not saying OC hasn't improved since then of course
..but they are decent ratings before they even ran at Cheltenham for both horses
but..there was a reaaly good guide to Our Conor and Champagne Fever when they ran at Leopardstown
the fastest race for class that day was the 2m2f race won by Summer Star..a race where the 1st, 3rd + 4th have come out since and franked that form
2m2f
Summer Star = 4m 28.80s (slow by 15.80s)
Champagne Fever = 4m 22.90s (slow by 9.90s)
Summer Star can be rated about a 108 horse...minus mares allowance =101...... as has won off that mark since..she carried 10.1..
CF carried 11.10 and ran 5.9 seconds faster..which makes Champagne Fever about a 163 horse
Our Conor won the 2 mile race in 9.9 seconds slower than standard..corrected for distance makes him 8lb slower than CF +10 less carried = 145 + 7lb wfa = 152
that looks more likely than Our Conor giving weight and 5 second beating to Ted Veale
I'm not saying OC hasn't improved since then of course
..but they are decent ratings before they even ran at Cheltenham for both horses
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Highest rated four-year-old ever in Anglo-Irish jumps ratings at 160.
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not surprised..and if i'd done the above calculations when those races were run i'd have backed both at Cheltenham with those figures
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Jair Du Cochet would have handed him his arse.
Jair du Cochet :lol:- would have been unplaced on Friday