Royal Ascot 2022

The Queen had a major disappointment when Aureole was beaten in Coronation Derby 1953.
I wonder was there any fallout between trainer and jockey or did they decide they were beaten fair and square ?
I see they took on Pinza again in King George VI and QE2 Stakes but to no avail .
Wishing the Gosdens and Frankie all the best; they have made a huge contribution to racing
 
Marb said:
I think Frankie might be at fault for several things but the Strad thing he was unlucky.

Could it be argued the horse really should have been retired by now and actually has ran a similiar race two years in a row in that Ascot Gold Cup..i.e not alert enough early starting off in nearly last position before a late rally in the final furlong or two? They ran him in an Arc..talk about being experimental...
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Unkucky my backside....He was in a perfect position in the box seat and form there on in he made a manouver that cost him the race.
Strad was travelling well within himslef and relaxed Frankie had no need to drop back throgh the field.

When he did he went from being in the box street to being boxed in and Moore must have been giggling to himself from the minute they turned in.

What annoyed Gosden more than anything was Frankie never admitted to the balls up saying the front 2 were always going faster than him

The truth is he had to go sideways at a crucial point and los momentum and distance....He should have without a doubt won with a better ride

Under normal cicumstances maybe he would have been retired but the Gold Cup was a sh*t renewal and that is why they've given it another go
 
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Royal Ascot 2023 Mick Price one of Australias better trainers will be looking to follow in the footsteps
of Nature Strip with his young 3yo sprinter Inundation You heard it here first:)
 
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Tanlic said:
Unkucky my backside....He was in a perfect position in the box seat and form there on in he made a manouver that cost him the race.
Strad was travelling well within himslef and relaxed Frankie had no need to drop back throgh the field.

When he did he went from being in the box street to being boxed in and Moore must have been giggling to himself from the minute they turned in.

What annoyed Gosden more than anything was Frankie never admitted to the balls up saying the front 2 were always going faster than him

The truth is he had to go sideways at a crucial point and los momentum and distance....He should have without a doubt won with a better ride

Under normal cicumstances maybe he would have been retired but the Gold Cup was a sh*t renewal and that is why they've given it another go
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You'd have to wonder why he's been given a month off at the height of the season, though?
 
Just watched the Strad race back. In my opinion, had he been better placed by Dettori, he WOULD have won. To expect a horse to pick up enough having come that wide was impossible but he did nearly get there. I think the horse was still good enough. The jockey wasn’t. Simple as that.
 
edgt said:
The Queen had a major disappointment when Aureole was beaten in Coronation Derby 1953.
I wonder was there any fallout between trainer and jockey or did they decide they were beaten fair and square ?
I see they took on Pinza again in King George VI and QE2 Stakes but to no avail .
Wishing the Gosdens and Frankie all the best; they have made a huge contribution to racing
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I think the view was they were beaten fair and square and that Pinza was a far better horse. Sadly jockey Harry Carr did lose the mount after the Leger, for which he was a beaten favourite (not the trainer but the racing manager pushing it through). Eph Smith rode him in his final race as a 3yo, when Carr couldn't do the weight and kept the mount; of course winning the King George as a 4yo.
 
I never buy into the 'would have won' arguments. Who's to say Kyprios wouldn't have pulled out more?

What I do believe is that Kyprios would benefit from a more strongly run race, and I'm not convinced Strad does or would now.
 
Your own eyes should tell you Kyprios was all out to win. Ryan Moore was flat to the boards from before the home turn and never let up until they crossed the winning line.

Strad won off a fast pace in 2018 on g/f and they went a good gallop at York so I doubt if he'd be inconvenienced.

They went a fair clip at leopardstown when Kyptios won over 1m6f so I doubt if a faster run race would bother him either
 
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Tanlic said:
Your own eyes should tell you Kyprios was all out to win. Ryan Moore was flat to the boards from before the home turn and never let up until they crossed the winning line.

Strad won off a fast pace in 2018 on g/f and they went a good gallop at York so I doubt if he'd be inconvenienced.

They went a fair clip at leopardstown when Kyptios won over 1m6f so I doubt if a faster run race would bother him either
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At least the last line we agree on.

You've ridden enough horses to know what the good ones do when something comes to them.

You're right Strad did win off a fast pace in 2018, but you miss my point. Strad has been been beaten in 3 of his last 4 races. By better horses than he is now, and not the horse he was in 2018.
 
Agreed but the big question is does Srad retain enough ability to win the Goodwood Cup?

He got close enough ar Ascot to give him at least half a chance of reversing placings.

Aiden's best bet could be to allow Changingoftheguard to set a really strong pace
which will be in the favour of dour stayers like Trushan and his own Kypros.

At the same time it could take the sting,or whats left of it, out of Strad's tail

Hand on my heart I don't know which of the 3 will come out on top.

Anyone who thinks they know for sure are fooling themselves and only guessing in what is a very complicated race to work out.
 
Desert Orchid said:
I thought they had tests that detected 'stuff' for months after it had been taken?

If such a rumour can make it here, surely it will already have made it to the authorities' security department and a hair sample could be analysed. (Or they could send one off to France.)
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Think it would be highly unlikely the authorities could ask for a test because of rumours? Although he has proven track record so that might be enough, although after comments during a recent case of 'he always smelt of alcohol' and seemingly nothing done then, I'm not sure what the rules allow or don't allow?
I would think it would only show in a urine test very recent to being taken, and jockeys have ways of flushing their systems anyway. Not sure what grounds would be needed for a hair follicle test?

I'm sure the 'split' won't be forever, JG bound to use him as some point in not too distant, even if not retained as it were. If I was Hollie, I'd steer well clear personally. Think she has enough going for her now to stay as she is.
 
No. I’m pretty sure they’re random tests. They don’t know when the “dope squad” will pitch up. Likewise not all horses are tested, not even all winners (although vast majority are), some are just picked randomly. Others will be picked if they were unplaced favourites.
 
You are correct Jinny they don't tell when they are going to test.

If a jockey has been caught before they can do enhanced testing on him/her over and above the norm
 
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If the “dope squad” turn up to a point meeting and a jockey mysteriously decides not to ride despite being there, then I think they aren’t allowed to ride for a set time.
 
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