Sandown Coral Eclipse

barjon said:
On the other hand sectionals do give weight (or not) to the visual impression we have gained.
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I'm a fan of sectionals but I think they have to be very carefully interpreted. They wouldn't, for example, appear to take any account of Mishriff's blocked run and loss of ground and momentum.
 
barjon said:
On the other hand sectionals do give weight (or not) to the visual impression we have gained.
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Reams of data, history, maths and graphs to tell us Mishriff looked unlucky, when proper interpretation of the figures tells otherwise?
 
No stat is standalone apart from 5yos in the Stayers Hurdle. They only exist to confirm our own prejudices.

Having no bet in the race, I thought that Vadeni was always just doing enough. They clearly like Mishriff to come from behind as he's steadied at the start if he doesn't miss the break. The more horses that you have to pass the more you may have to give away ground by diverting or risk getting interference on a straighter run. They chose the tactic so can't be considered unlucky if he met trouble.
 
archie said:
They clearly like Mishriff to come from behind as he's steadied at the start if he doesn't miss the break. The more horses that you have to pass the more you may have to give away ground by diverting or risk getting interference on a straighter run. They chose the tactic so can't be considered unlucky if he met trouble.
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Yes, choosing to come from the back has its risks but it doesn't mean meeting trouble isn't bad luck. Choosing to go for a gap that might close is a high-risk strategy and one could argue rules out 'luck' but when the net effect is that the horse misses out on the chance to show its true worth then I think it's fair to make a subjective allowance for how far behind the level its true ability could have seen it finish.
 
barjon said:
On the other hand sectionals do give weight (or not) to the visual impression we have gained.
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Can't say I've ever felt the need to go there.

I won't be falling over myself to back Mishriff next time. he's either going to be a silly price or get stuffed in a better race
 
reet hard said:
Reams of data, history, maths and graphs to tell us Mishriff looked unlucky, when proper interpretation of the figures tells otherwise?
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I often fall foul of an eyecathing finish “seeing” impressive acceleration which, in practice, owes more to the leaders slowing than the Eyecatcher accelerating. Little bit of that with Mishriff as the sectionals demonstrate. The mph figure nowadays helps a bit, of course.
 
barjon said:
I often fall foul of an eyecathing finish “seeing” impressive acceleration which, in practice, owes more to the leaders slowing than the Eyecatcher accelerating. Little bit of that with Mishriff as the sectionals demonstrate. The mph figure nowadays helps a bit, of course.
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Not a good take re Mishriff.
 
barjon said:
I often fall foul of an eyecathing finish “seeing” impressive acceleration which, in practice, owes more to the leaders slowing than the Eyecatcher accelerating. Little bit of that with Mishriff as the sectionals demonstrate. The mph figure nowadays helps a bit, of course.
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I'm usually wary of such types but, for me, it wasn't the case with Mishriff. He clearly lost ground and momentum at a crucial stage.
 
Cartier have Valdeni and State of Rest as joint leaders in their 'Horse of the year'.
Ironic that both won slowly run races :lol:
 
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