Should the animal that did this be put down?

Tout Seul

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I accept that the source is the NotW but the following is a link to their story on Baby P. Be aware that it is likely to cause distress!

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/73228/Baby-P-Hidden-Horror-Revealed.html

Other than 'it is wrong to kill another human being' can anyone gve me a good reason why the animal that did this remains alive?

Secondly one inquiry has found that no-one in the relevant authorities was at fault sufficient to justify losing their job.There is to be another inquiry. I believe that the scale and nature of this absolute failure is such as to be certain evidence to at least some people are unfit to be given the responsibility of protecting children. If one can be tried on a criminal basis for not properly checking a rail line then how can this not result in prosecution?
 
Absolutely horrific. I am against the death penalty in all cases and this is no different. Death would be an easy way out for him....much more suitable long running punishments for him.
 
I'm not sure that there is a suitable punishment for a crime like this.

I think to call them animals is an insult to animals, I don't think that animals would do something like this.
 
Colin, I agree with you totally but, when trying to find an appropriate title for what would hopefully be a proper discussion, I clearly couldn't use the word man. Other alternatives could make it seem like an emotional rant.
 
As a kid I experienced first hand what can happen when someone just 'snaps' and temporarily acts in manner that is totally out of character. That type of person can now be treated and therefore even if they have killed someone there is a fair argument that their punishment need not be the death sentence nor even true life imprisonment.

The creature does not fit that definition nor is it mad as when madness can be defined as an illness. This is a warped evil creation for which there is no possible excuse. OK, there may be certain factors which helped to form such a monstrous personality but this monster is inhuman, not a human being with human failings, and as such does not merit the right to be treated as human.

It is somewhat odd, is it not, to argue that the possibility of a life of both physical and mental torture is a civilised way to punish a monster. Would it make you feel good to read that the monster had suffered horrendous disfigurement in attack by a fellow inmate? Far better and fairer to remove its presence from society completely and quickly.
 
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I'd quite happily pull the trigger! I would have no hesitation.BANG! Gone! No need use my tax for this scum.

From what I have read about it/him, he will revel in his noriety,a satanist body builder! Unlike Huntly,who as tried to commit suicide numerous times & who is obviously not enjoying life inside (what a shame!!!!), this ????? (add whatever you want to call it) will probably swagger around as if he owns the place! He will get done over though because even prison officers have feelings & I am sure one of them will let slip to someone who & where he is;)

So many pitfalls in this story & the main question is how could it happen? Its too late now.The little mite is dead & after being with my 2 & a half year old Grandson today I count our blessings,its just a pity that the 15 year old witness couldn't find the courage to say something earlier & that the whistleblower wasn't listened to when she told the childrens services head about the danger this child was in:mad:

Sackings & apologies will not bring him back & we have heard it all before. Although I have a little sympathy with the social worker she was plainly not doing her job probably so deserves the sack anyway but it smacks of an 'I'm alright Jack' attitude sometimes with these people.

In regards to Euronymous's comments, the only problem is they will be on a secure wing somewhere hidden away from other inmates & probably watching SKY Tv!!:mad:
 
Problem is all these killers are going to get "sorted" in prison, but all seem to still be alive and well.
Whiting,Cook, Sutcliffe, Huntl, Ian Brad etc.
Nice thought them being marmalised inside but it just doesnt happen

I would burn this thing alive but fortunate for him, he is in a spineless, do-gooder place which has never been more fucked than it is now and will just get worse.

Most other countries would have ceased his life
 
That was one very beautiful looking child, especially his big blue eyes.

To think someone would even contemplate doing such inhumane acts like the step father did, is not human.

I remember last year in Australia when a child about 2 was dumped in a 1980's suitcase, and his body left to rot in a river, where some poor young kids who were playing found him so badly decomposed. It outraged the entire country, and the mother who was classified as insane, received a very long sentence. She had apparently the abused the young boy, named Dean Shillingsworth since birth.

Makes you just wonder why.
 
I have no problem with the death penalty per se, my objection to it is based purely on not trusting the legal system to use it without error. In this case I'm not sure it would be appropriate as surely there is, at the very least, a possibility of mental illness involved.

Are criminal charges being taken against the local authority and the responsible personnel within? There will always be nutters out there who do savage things. This is the last-chance safety net for children who end up being looked after by these ogres. Somehow, I feel more annoyed (for want of a better word) by whatever social worker visits a child who is already identified as being high risk and through laziness or whatever reason, can't give the child the final protection it needs. The "witness" and neighbours have a lot to justify to themselves as well. It's not easy to step in without authority but if the story is accurate, there were quite a few people aware of what was going on.
 
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My understanding was that the local authority through the social worker brought it to the attention of the local politician/s but where not given the resources to act, is this correct ? or where exactly does the book stop.
 
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I hate what happened and find it almost unbearable to read. There is interesting news today about how the social workers defiantly ignored pleas fromthe police. Sometimes social workers are clearly on a hiding to nothing, but its strikes me that they have been completely hopeless in this case

but i am against the death penalty
 
It seems the problem lies with various social workers, doctors and lawyers failing to spot the seriousness of the case at numerous times over its course.
 
My understanding was that the local authority through the social worker brought it to the attention of the local politician/s but where not given the resources to act, is this correct ? or where exactly does the book stop.





Seems like an unlikely chain events. Local Councillors wouldn't be involved in case work and no report is ever likely to have been written for committee consideration. Quite apart from anything there's a small issue of data protection. It wouldn't be unusual for the management to lobby Councillors for an increase in budget against ever finite resource depletion though, which is what this sounds like. They in turn lobby government (invariably with no success) so the authority faces having to make cuts in services or put up council tax which invaribaly sends the local electorate into a frenzy that results in them voting out the party of administration (quite possibly many of the same people now complaining about how this was allowed to happen, would be the very same ones complaining at their council tax bills?).

I don't know enough about criminal negligence, but would think it very difficult to prove given the web of people and agencies involved. I know a little bit more about corporate manslaughter, and if the burden of proof is the same or similar (the need to link a 'conscious mind' to an action) then it's going to be very difficult. Private sector managers have a tradition of killing off their workforces be it in railway accidents, unloading ships at Tilbury, or shoddy applications of H&S resulting in electrocution. Very few have ever been successfully prosecuted, though in truth very few ever gain anything like the media atention that a public sector mistake does. For whatever reason, the public sector is seen as being more accountable (although in reality that probably means more likely to respond).

There's doubtless been mistakes made, but my experience is that there is no small amount of there but for the grace etc Social work is a thankless task, and the only recognition you can get it seems is negative, and so avoidning this is the best you can hope for. The government didn't help matters after the Climbie case by saying that such a thing could never happen again!!! Well of course it could, and I'll tell you something else, it will happen after this one too. If the authority call it right, they get no recognition, if they call it wrong, they get mullahed. The more calls you have to make you will eventually get one wrong.

One of the other things that is going to make it difficult to prosecute is the nature of 'childrens services partnerships' and the numerous agencies involved in them. Isolating one particular contribution or indidvidual as being culpable is very difficult given that the requirement is to operate in a more joined up fashion, and as such there's probably a little bit of negligence all round the table with no single individual holding what could be desribed as overall responsibility within the realms of 'reasonable'. The Director of Children's Services would be the figurehead, but in reality she won't have been aware of the details of the casework, or if she was, it would only have been in passing. She'd be locked into strategic management issues and policy development. The team below her would be more up to date, but they'd probably be able to invoke the notion that they'd asked for additional resource from her and had been denied. She in turn would blame the councillors, or in turn would blame the government, and that's before you bring the police and any other agencies into play.

See the problem? Very difficult. The only person they could probably hang out to dry would be a menial case worker, and even then issues about the level of training, support and supervision they'd received might cloud the picture. It really would need to be an outstanding case of wanton neglect to make it stick I'd have thought, and I'm not sure what benefit a show trial would serve to satisfy public opinion. Far better to go down the enquiry route, and then take action
 
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