Should the Bonus King abdicate?

BruttoCattivo

BruttoCattivo

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I placed two bets on Unioniste at 11/2 with Betfred on Friday afternoon after the declarations had been made at lunchtime.

The bets were settled at 11/2, rather than the SP of 17/2, which I was expecting under the BOG concession. The difference is £900.

I telephoned Betfred to query this who said that it was nothing to do with them, as Betfair online was a totally different company. I asked for a phone number for Betfred online, but was told that they didn't have one!

I was given an email and the reply said that they were unable to handle my query unless I supplied them with my date of birth, my full address and my email address. This I did.

The next email from those friendly folk at Betfred Customer Services said that my bet didn't qualify for BOG as it was an ante-post bet.

I replied explaining that this was incorrect as ante-post bets cease once the declarations have been made. I expanded on this by letting the skilled Betfred staff know that had any customer backed one of the four non-runners in the race they would not have lost their money as ante-post rules did not apply. Equally, if any of the non-runners had been priced at 14/1 or below then bets of the winner or placed horses would have been subject to a Tattersalls Rule 4 c deduction, as, again, ante-post rules did not apply.

The next reply changed tack. Ante-post was no longer mentioned. Rather 'day of the race' came into play: "I can confirm that Betfred offer Best odds guaranteed online to bets placed on the day of the race. If the race is a competitive race with plenty of betting interest Betfred may, on occasions, offer the Best Odds Guaranteed concession after 18:00 the day before the race".

I can find no rule that states this and as far as I know no other BOG firm works this way (and I have bet with them all).

Does anyone have a similar experience with the Bonus King?
 
I refuse to bet with them after a ridiculous incident with a member of staff in the local shop wouldnt phone through to settle a bet placed at Aintree last year. The return was only £20 odd quid but after arguing for half an hour i decided enough was enough and refuse to entertain them any more.
 
They are vile and will find any way not to pay out but unfortunately on this one, they're right. BOG is usually only applied on the day's race market rather than the named race, especially likely to be the case on a Friday afternoon.

It's worth taking it to IBAS but you are a big price to win with them!!
 
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Interestingly the other BOG firms apply SP if better if the bet is placed on the day before after the decs are known
My next move is to write to the Bonus King personally to ask if he thinks that this is right.
 
Bet365 guarantee prices as soon as the overnight declarations are known.
Why is it that the big bookmakers seem to employ a layer of staff with absolutely no feel for the game who are solely interested in telling you that your bet is a loser.
 
Bet365 guarantee prices as soon as the overnight declarations are known.
Why is it that the big bookmakers seem to employ a layer of staff with absolutely no feel for the game who are solely interested in telling you that your bet is a loser.
 
Am I right in thinking Ladbrokes' BOG only applies from 10am on the day?

Hope you win the fight, Brutto.

I lost a recent one with Bet365. I bet in one of Frankel's races w/o the fav. The horse 'won' at 4/1 but they wouldn't give me a free bet on the next TV race saying Frankel won the race. I argued that Frankel wasn't actually in the race in which I'd made my bet but they disagreed and it's their ba' so they picked it up and went home.

I half-expected them not to give me my free bet on Friday. I'd backed Midnight Chase early and when it came out I switched to Master Overseer so when it won I was half-expecting them to say the original bet on MC was the one that counted. Not that it mattered. I stuck the free bet on a loser.
 
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In the Cambridgeshire I backed Boom or Bust to be placed with B365 -I got the free 50 bet off them on the next CH4 race but I had to fight for it.
I've had a couple of disputes with b365 and they have found in my favour-I think they are very fair-the way Paddy Power used to be.
 
Bookies very seldom get it wrong and punters very often overlook the obvious and think they are being robbed.

As Stan says they are right and you are wrong.

9.71 sp on Betfair and you could have easily got on at 10.5 if memory serves me well and you are taking 6.5 ?????

You should get out more mate :rolleyes:

I gave up on betting horses with most bookies a long time ago when I had a few accounts closed because I was on a winning streak, plus I found it extremely annoying that they continuously want to cut your lunch on prices.

I have a couple of accounts for betting long shots If I am having a few hundred quid on that I intend laying back on Betfair should the price take a tumble and that's about it.
 
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Yes, I know nothing about this game. Most of my betting is done overnight and early morning. If you want 25p on a horse you might find there is liquidity on Betfair at that time. Also if you want the each-way value Betfair is not the place for you.
But then, what do I know?
 
Tanlic said:
Bookies very seldom get it wrong and punters very often overlook the obvious and think they are being robbed.

As Stan says they are right and you are wrong.

9.71 sp on Betfair and you could have easily got on at 10.5 if memory serves me well and you are taking 6.5 ?????

You should get out more mate :rolleyes:

I gave up on betting horses with most bookies a long time ago when I had a few accounts closed because I was on a winning streak, plus I found it extremely annoying that they continuously want to cut your lunch on prices.

I have a couple of accounts for betting long shots If I am having a few hundred quid on that I intend laying back on Betfair should the price take a tumble and that's about it.
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You should know who you're talking down to. What Brutto Cavitto doesn't know about the game could. be written on the back of a stamp waith a pain brush. You on the other hand take the opposite view on every thread for the sake of it. i.e you're just another trolling useless ****.
 
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Tanlic said:
Bookies very seldom get it wrong and punters very often overlook the obvious and think they are being robbed.

As Stan says they are right and you are wrong.

9.71 sp on Betfair and you could have easily got on at 10.5 if memory serves me well and you are taking 6.5 ?????

You should get out more mate :rolleyes:

I gave up on betting horses with most bookies a long time ago when I had a few accounts closed because I was on a winning streak, plus I found it extremely annoying that they continuously want to cut your lunch on prices.

I have a couple of accounts for betting long shots If I am having a few hundred quid on that I intend laying back on Betfair should the price take a tumble and that's about it.
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Ah betfair. Where commission is king, and if you want a bet of over €50 you will struggle to get what you are looking for. . . .

This forum has so many positives, its a shame you sir do not fit into this bracket.
 
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You should know who you're talking down to. What Brutto Cavitto doesn't know about the game could. be written on the back of a stamp waith a pain brush. You on the other hand take the opposite view on every thread for the sake of it. i.e you're just another trolling useless ****.
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Is that right?

I have never seen the guy post and find it weird this guy who knows everything about the game messed up because he never knew the rules of the bookie he was betting with.

You have the manners of a pig mate.

This was none of your concern you are patronising the poster or if you prefer sooking up his a$$ to gain support for you being ignorant.

You are a baffon and it took me about 2 days from the day I joined to spot you.......You form little cliques and ***** like you destroy forums.
 
Tanlic said:
Is that right?

I have never seen the guy post and find it weird this guy who knows everything about the game messed up because he never knew the rules of the bookie he was betting with.

You have the manners of a pig mate.

This was none of your concern you are patronising the poster or if you prefer sooking up his a$$ to gain support for you being ignorant.

You are a baffon and it took me about 2 days from the day I joined to spot you.......You form little cliques and ***** like you destroy forums.
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I read posts not essays so it took me ages to figure out that you're an absolute ****.
 
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Dicie said:
Ah betfair. Where commission is king, and if you want a bet of over €50 you will struggle to get what you are looking for. . . .

This forum has so many positives, its a shame you sir do not fit into this bracket.
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You are entitled to your opinion about me. Quite frankly it's not aproblem.

However that does not give you the right to post complete garbage to support your abuse.

I was Dutching up until recently........no matter which horse I backed if one of them won my gross return 400 pounds less losing bets and commison

Sometimes I'd back 2 sometimes 3 sometimes 4 horses in one race.

I just took an example day of my spreadsheet at random and the smallest bet I had was 44.44p and the largest was 307.69 and never once was I not matched. The chances of a bookie taking bets and giving you prices race after race are about ziltch

50 pounds is bog all on Betfair. Most Saturdays each race will trade up to and over 1 million pound and getting 2 or 3 grand on is a doddle never mind alousy 50 quid.

Our friend had 300 quid on the horse (Well done by the way) he could have easily got that on at 10 on the machine in that race. If that offends him then I can only apologies but I have not said anything that isn't true. Personally I would never take a price in an open handicap on the books once the runners are known because no matter what horse you want to back unless there's a massive gamble on it you will always come out on top betting on the machine if you are patient.

Admittedly the machine is not for ew backers but I very seldom back ew but I do play the place only market now an again.
 
SlimChance said:
I read posts not essays so it took me ages to figure out that you're an absolute ****.
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ffs give it a rest you are incapable of writing more than one sentence we all know that......how about from now on I write two posts one for you and one for intelligent posters......anything to keep the peace
 
Personally I would never take a price in an open handicap on the books once the runners are known because no matter what horse you want to back unless there's a massive gamble on it you will always come out on top betting on the machine if you are patient.
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Now that really is complete and utter bollocks.
 
BruttoCattivo said:
Yes, I know nothing about this game. Most of my betting is done overnight and early morning. If you want 25p on a horse you might find there is liquidity on Betfair at that time. Also if you want the each-way value Betfair is not the place for you.
But then, what do I know?
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That I do agree with....I was backing Grandouet on the machine every day for weeks to get 430 quid on at around 13 for the Champion Hurdle as I thought I may want to lay it off later. I got almost 5 times that on with bookmakers without any trouble but if the money is not on the machine to lay it off on the day then I have to top up my account if I want to go that way which is a bummer.

There are pros and cons about both so to each his own.

My apologies if I offended you but I really thought you were a newbie
 
You will not be able to lay Grandoeut on the day from your current position you stupid ****. That will be the day of the market which is separate from your ante post position.
 
I don't fully understand that post, Slimster !
Many's the time I have backed on ante post Betfair and layed off the same hoss on the Day-Of-Race Betfair market.
'S'long as you are using the one Betfair account, backing ante post and greening-up by laying the same horse on the day of race is not an issue at all.
 
Of course, yes. But I'm sure Tanlic had factored in that necessity of having funds to cover the Lay side, no?
 
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