The 2016 Betfair Hurdle Newbury Sat Feb 13

Thanks, DG.


Much of this is at odds with what Graham Cunningham was saying and with what the eye told us.


Cunningham stressed after the race that some of the sections down the back were SLOWER than in the opener. He times these things as they happen. Rowlands seems to be contradicting this. So we have two sectionalists coming up with different figures for the same race.


Our eyes tell us nothing from the back got into the race. Logic would normally tell us that this means they weren't going too fast up front, which would normally lead to what sectionalists are fond of calling 'pace collapse'.


Could it be that the ground was so heavy sectionals are irrelevant; that it was simply impossible to come from the back in that ground, ie to pick up any speed?

I'd be very interested to hear EC1's view (especially on Rowlands's comments about people's attitudes to sectionals!)
 
The further 'sectionals' (a misnomer anyway, in NH racing) get away from sprint distances, the less reliable they become, and any talk of 'even pace' over the distance and terrain of Saturday's race is bordering on the laughable. Take the winner out and the next 7 home finished within 7l of each other, which would be remarkable in any truly run race in the prevailing conditions.
Fwiw, I agree with DO, and thought (at a very early stage) that RJ wasn't making nearly the same use of Sternrubin he had in his previous run (maybe he realised the horse wasn't acting on the ground, but I doubt he'd have placed - no matter how he was ridden).
 
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reet hard said:
The further 'sectionals' (a misnomer anyway, in NH racing) get away from sprint distances, the less reliable they become, and any talk of 'even pace' over the distance and terrain of Saturday's race is bordering on the laughable. Take the winner out and the next 7 home finished within 7l of each other, which would be remarkable in any truly run race in the prevailing conditions.
Fwiw, I agree with DO, and thought (at a very early stage) that RJ wasn't making nearly the same use of Sternrubin he had in his previous run (maybe he realised the horse wasn't acting on the ground, but I doubt he'd have placed - no matter how he was ridden).
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on a forum thats supposed to be knowledgeable..i can't believe a post filled with so much lack of knowledge doesn't get challenged.

Does not one person on here run themselves or know someone who runs?

Lets put it this way..try running a marathon without pacing yourself..or ask someone who does run..what happens if you/they go too fast in a few sections when running a marathon..even by a small margin..ask them how much it damages their final time. Ask someone who runs marathons if there is an efficient pace or an inefficient pace to go at..of course there is

i've read a lot of misleading stuff on forums through the years..the above post..is near the top of the list

pace doesn't matter when you run further?..really?...it matters more for goodness sake..it damages more late on when not correct over further

sectionals are more important the further you go..the exact opposite of what is posted above..what complete nonsense to state otherwise

out of thousands of sites to back this up..and a quote from this site

http://runnersconnect.net/running-training-articles/improve-your-pacing-skills/

Learning to properly pace yourself during a race is one of the most critical skills a runner can develop. To maximize your potential on race day, you need to become a master at pacing yourself and learning to feel the disparity between just a few seconds difference in your pace. By learning the importance of pacing and fine-tuning your skills, you can improve your consistency and set new personal bests.
 
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This is something I'm well aware from swimming. The best performance I ever put up was when I paced myself perfectly (mainly because it was a marathon and I had to be sure of finishing!) but found myself feeling as strong as hell from about halfway and actually felt better and better the further I went.

I tried repeating it the following week but gave up after a couple of hundred metres as I was going too fast because I was over-confident.

(I actually ended up going to the doc as I felt I'd had a physical problem. I told him I felt I was trying to swim uphill against the tide and that's what it felt like... not that I've ever swum uphill against the tide since no one has...)

But I understand the physical aspect now.
 
This is what makes Ruby a top jockey for me, knows how fast the pace should be in any one race, I seem to remember reading he counted to himself between each obstacle although obviously not every race needs to be the same.
 
EC1 said:
on a forum thats supposed to be knowledgeable..i can't believe a post filled with so much lack of knowledge doesn't get challenged.

Does not one person on here run themselves or know someone who runs?

Lets put it this way..try running a marathon without pacing yourself..or ask someone who does run..what happens if you/they go too fast in a few sections when running a marathon..even by a small margin..ask them how much it damages their final time. Ask someone who runs marathons if there is an efficient pace or an inefficient pace to go at..of course there is

i've read a lot of misleading stuff on forums through the years..the above post..is near the top of the list

pace doesn't matter when you run further?..really?...it matters more for goodness sake..it damages more late on when not correct over further

sectionals are more important the further you go..the exact opposite of what is posted above..what complete nonsense to state otherwise

out of thousands of sites to back this up..and a quote from this site

http://runnersconnect.net/running-training-articles/improve-your-pacing-skills/

Learning to properly pace yourself during a race is one of the most critical skills a runner can develop. To maximize your potential on race day, you need to become a master at pacing yourself and learning to feel the disparity between just a few seconds difference in your pace. By learning the importance of pacing and fine-tuning your skills, you can improve your consistency and set new personal bests.
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Welcome back knobhead.
 
Diamond Geezer said:
This is what makes Ruby a top jockey for me, knows how fast the pace should be in any one race, I seem to remember reading he counted to himself between each obstacle although obviously not every race needs to be the same.
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I always assumed every jockey did an element of counting in a race, whether it was strides between fences or between furlong markers or, in Willie Carson's case, how much his percentage was going to be :)
 
Shall we just concentrate on talking about racing. Water under the bridge and all that. This thread has more than run its course
 
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The 1989 Tote Gold Trophy was won by a trainer called JR Jenkins who is these days landing touches in Southwell. Can anyone tell me what he was like on the jumps? Where they a gambling yard?
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From his website

Since receiving his trainer's dual licence, John has trained winning horses for many different types of owner, the individual, groups, joint and corporate owners. His horses have won the Cesarewitch, Chester Cup and Doncaster Mile on the flat, and his jumpers have won the Daily Express Triumph Hurdle, the Lanzarote Hurdle and the Schweppes Tote Hurdle during his twenty plus year career.


Great trainer but who can name his Triumph Hurdle winners not 1 but 2 it states he has trained on another website. http://www.directoryoftheturf.com/profile.cfm/searchid/4588
 
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Going back to the race Starchitect hanging on for second after almost coming to a standstill after that last flight error was imo in the same ballpark as Killultagh Vic's recovery.
 
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