Things I Hate...

Martin, did you read anything I put? Where did I "lecture you about Rottweilers" ? I in fact stated that I like them, I am not about to lecture anybody on keeping them as pets. However, all Rottweiler owners must be well aware of their 1) public perception 2) strength and 3) unfortunate statistics where animals who were brought up by irresponsible morons have attacked people, sometimes resulting in their [the human's] death.

Also, I was talking about dogs biting HUMANS, not play fighting with other dogs in the park - there is a big difference, you know. I cannot believe that you'd step inbetween two fighting dogs, let alone two big, strong, traditionally fighting dogs - nine times out of ten, you'd end up getting bitten yourself. Several times I've seen blood pouring from the wounds incurred by owners of dogs stepping inbetween their OWN two dogs fighting, and getting caught in the crossfire, through no intentions of the animals themselves.

Ok, the distinction remains between what sort of misdemeanour a dog should step into the territory where it may be in danger of being put down. I admit that for a nip, that is probably excessive - but we only have the owner's word that it was a 'nip' so where do you draw the lines? I do believe that a person is within their rights to demand that an animal be put down if it has bitten them though - much the same as a farmer is quite within his rights to shoot a dog for hassling his livestock - so that in itself would strongly suggest that the injury incurred was just a nip. However, as I said in my initial post, you were lucky to get away with the injured party not insisting the animal be put down, especially as he reportedly called the police.

Incidentally, are Japanese Akitas not illegal to keep in this country? How many has your Rottweiler come across, in that case?!

No unless someone in government has recently banned them I don't think so. American pitbulls are though.

Your entitled to your opinion Shadow. It's one of my trademarks to get a bit agitated and not read properly.

The Akita my dog accidently bumped into 8 years ago when they were both about 2yo was a big black, scizo-eyed dog. I was scared of it. We lived in the same area. One day, just like the two most boystorous kids in a primary school they had a rumble. I stopped them straight away, and so did the owner of the Akita. Unfortunately he resorted to kicking my one up the backside and we weren't on speaking terms after that. :<3:

I always pull my dog off and shout to the other owner 'get your dog etc' and thats never failed. It does happen with big dogs regardless of the nature of the owner sometimes. Unless you keep them on the lead all there life and treat them like nutters you have to let them be.

What worried me and my mum at the time was we knew the guy had a young kid which we thought was absoloutely nuts (to get an Akita like that when you've got a young baby). Again though, I've seen very friendly Akita's (usually white one's by chance) and I'm not in a position to judge the whole breed.

Honestly, my rottweiler has never 'bitten' another dog; just somewhere in between headbutting and tickling.

Small dogs he just chases round and plays with. For his mental state they are the one's I've always liked to let him play with;

Last year Bigs bumped into another rottweiler twice his size in the quarry, a feckin bear, and we had quite a job seperating them. I got a slight nick on my left arm and that was that. Had my tetnis a few years ago. The other rottweilers neck was at least 12 inches wide.

You panic for a moment but remember, they are focused on eyeballing each other so as owners you just need to make sure you act swiftly and show the dog who's boss. I've got broad shoulders which helps!

I know I've been lucky over the years, but in my experience they are just dogs. I haven't met one yet, either mine or anyone elses that has had the chance to hurt each other.

I am not gloryfyng any of this experience because I know there are dangerous dogs and owners but this has been my experience of having him for 10 years.

He has crofts champions in the bloodline and my only regret was not having the will power to breed him. His temperment has slowly got more fractious as he's got older (nibbles my ankles in the living room sometimes) but apart from that a perfectly sound dog (apart from when post comes which again for 10 years I have dealt with successfully).

Whatever happens on Thursday and whatever we decide to do with the small girl basenji I will not get another dog for a few years. They are so draining and I've got enough in my own life to deal without two dogs. My honest advice to anyone is contemplate whether you think you can deal with getting a dog like a rottie. most will be better to get a mongrel, each to their own.

Mine is a very small and lean rottweiler, I put a picture of him up here once if I remember rightly.

HTH.
 
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My friend's Akita is one of the softest lumps of a dog one would ever wish to come across. Any dog is capable of inflicting serious damage if so inclined or provoked. A Dachshound could seriously hurt a child if given an opportunity.
 
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Thinking back to biters... my mother approached a neighbour who was cradling her Jack Russell. Mother asked if she could stroke the animal, and the neighbour said oh, yes, he loves it. Did he hell, the little bastard. He snapped a big piece of flesh out of Mother's forearm - gouts of blood, trip to A&E to steri-strip it, blah, blah. She was, strangely, wary of 'those horrible little dogs' ever since!

Now, should that little brat have been pts? I'm not inclined to think so, neither was my mother. Muzzled when in public, yes, but I don't hold with rushing them off to the vet to kill. And I do think some vets are far too hypo-happy. I was delivering my ailing cat to one when - okay, I'll be judgmental and say by a really scruffy, rough couple - a German Shepherd was pulled in by his owners. They said he'd bitten one of them and they wanted him destroyed. The Kiwi female vet said, yes, sit down and I'll do him in a bit.

Did the vet ask to see where the dog had bitten one of them? Did she ask what the circumstances were? Did she ask if they'd rather sign the dog over if they couldn't cope with him? No, no, no. Just take the owner's word and kill it. Far too easy an out for people who don't want to be bothered with their animal any more - not that it would prevent them from getting another to amuse them for a while. There should be a desire by vets to support animal welfare and to find out exactly why a dog bit, and why it was enough to warrant someone wanting it dead.

I did ask the vet if she just took the owner's word for it, didn't question the circs of the incident, etc. She was really snippy with me, as if I was questioning her authority and said, no, she would just put it down. The dog, by the way, looked servile and cowed, very unhappy, not at all bolshie. I said to the vet that I'd take him on, but she insisted that once a dog had bitten a person, it was not fit to be owned any more. She almost seemed to relish the thought of destroying it.

I'm enjoying the discussion, folks - most interesting.
 
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I maintain half the problem with the type of dog that includes Rottweilers are some of the owners that are attracted to them. People buy them precisely because of their strong guarding instincts but have no idea how to manage or train them properly.

I am sure you have a great family dog, Martin but if he has dodgy hips, then you have in fact done the right thing in not having used him as a stud dog. The breed has had an endemic HD problem which responsible breeders (and they are the majority) have worked incredibly hard to eliminate along with improving temperament and ensuring that the public are properly educated as to whether this is a suitable breed for them.

My own breed, Weimaraners, while in the gundog group, had its own reputation as being potentially aggressive - 50 years ago when they were first imported from Germany, apparently their temperament was truly appalling. Years of breeding that out has, in the main, been totally successful and they make great family pets/gundogs but, like any working breed, they HAVE to be properly occupied - they are a nightmare if left alone too much or allowed to dominate.

Your Basenji bitch, Martin wouldn't be wildly dissimilar in wanting to work to many collies - they're an incredibly intelligent breed and need to work - if that isn't dealt with when they are puppies and something else substituted to mop up all that energy, then they end up, as yours did, in Rescue. It's bred into them to nip - in just the same way it's inbred in herding dogs. Collies really shouldn't be house pets without something regualrly occupying their brain - if they're not herding then agility or working trials has to be the substitute. They are notoriously 'nervous', inasmuch as loud noises are anathema to them, which again leads to fear biting.

Akitas - and I've known several very suuccessful breeders with top show dogs - are again trouble if they aren't absolutely certain where they are in the pack. If their owner can't dominate them from the get go, fights will ensue and I've known too many who have to be kennelled seperately. They are a specialist's breed and should really only be kept if they are worked or kept properly kennelled. Not my thing but fine if it's what works for them.

We're now working four Weis on our shoot and it's a real challenge but they aremaking great gundogs, mix happily with the cockers, springers and labs and go mental with joy and anticipation when the shooting/beating gear gets dragged out on Saturdays now!
 
Not sure what it is but lately he's been yelping (is that the word?) when I stroke or brush him. Needs a vetinary check.
 
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Aren't basenji's bred so that they can hunt all day without tiring? I read up on them a couple of years ago. And Akitas [they were the 'in' breed a few years ago which is always a disaster for any breed of dog because it attracts the wrong owners and breeders] I heard were ok on their own but developed a pack mentallity if there were more than one of them. As for people buying big dogs as an ego trip, that's a scary thought because someone like that is not likely to 'pack leader' it over his pet.
 
I don't think mine is a proper Basenji tbh. It's the nearest the vet could pinpoint it to. Have no idea what a proper pedigree is like. Do a bit more research and see how I feel in about 10 years!
 
If you Google 'Basenji' or 'Basenji hound', Martin, there's loads of info and some very striking photos of the breed. Yes, it's true that the dogs seem to be represented on Egyptian tombs, and the dog went on to become very popular, probably by travelling down the Nile on boats and the puppies being sold to visiting traders, with central Africans, particularly Congolese. They are also considered by some South Africans to be a native South African dog.

They can make noises, but don't bark as such. They can make a strange howling sound close to a yodel (although they're rubbish on the accordion). Very clean dogs - they groom themselves. But they are also very active, mentally and physically, and will require to be kept busy or can become disruptive. Reading up a bit on them, since I'd forgotten so much, it seems that they must have a strong human leader or can tend to take over as pack leader. That backs up what you say about owners who can't control their dogs by asserting themselves as boss.
 
Kri, the point with a dog that bites (as opposed to a horse that has kicked, or bitten) is that often once a dog has bitten and tasted blood, it can develop a taste for it and want to do it again.

Thats the biggest load of bo**ocks I've read all year!

Dogs do what works & if biting works they will do it again, not because they get a taste of blood :rolleyes:
 
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I'd say that a dog that has bitten someone believes itself to be pack leader. I've still got my Observers book of dogs from when I was a child and am still ticking off dogs that I'm seeing for the first time. We go up to Northumberland a lot, and Bamburgh beach is the best beach in the country for dogs..I've seen all shapes and sizes there and have whiled away many an hour chatting to people about their dogs. They were going to ban dogs from the beach but thankfully have seen sense and have decided not to.
 
There's more than one form of biting, remember - although the pain's still the same! Fear biters are just that - usually cornered or extremely nervous of being so and bite to avoid 'capture'. Some fear biters can be rehabilitated but it's a long old haul and you can never totally relax around them.

The other primary form is that, as Moehat mentions, of the dog that is moving up the pack hierarchy and wants to dominate. Uusually confined to other dogs, once the line is crossed to deciding it wants to dominate human beings, children are usually its first target - as they are weaker - and these dogs are the most dangerous and, in my opinion, should be put down immediately.

The third type of biting is that of a protective bitch with her whelps and I'd not be rushing to the vets to put her down, as that's hormonal and understandable and entirely the owner's fault for exposing the bitch to a perceived threat in the first place. The problem, though, is when the protective nature gets extended to her humans and she bites anyone she considers a threat to them - ie walking into 'their' territory. Mostly curable but not always and again, the danger is someone else's child that moves erratically as children will, into 'her' space and tragedy ensues. Of course, every now and then, these are exactly the same dogs we read about in the papers as heroes for protecting their family against intruders, so you pays your money and takes your choice!!
 
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Having your online banking tell you on a tuesday how many rounds you bought on a Saturday whilst watching the rugby internationals. Worrying.
 
Have they rung you up to check that you haven't gone bonkers for opening an online betting account yet, Hamm?
 
Thats the biggest load of bo**ocks I've read all year!

Dogs do what works & if biting works they will do it again, not because they get a taste of blood :rolleyes:

It absolutely is not bollocks and if you think that way, best you don't go near dogs then. I'm sorry, but life isn't all fluffy bunnies - oh, nor death lists.
 
Likewise.


Anyway, I shall put it in simpler terms for you in case didn't understand first time around - dogs who bite people SHOULD BE PUT DOWN. If you think that is 'utter bollocks' and 'spouting cack' then you shouldn't be keeping dogs in the first place.
 
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Agree entirely about dogs that bite people should almost always be put down - there are exceptions, of course, as to why the dog bit in the first place.

Helen and Jon are quite right, though, dogs don't get a taste for blood - they bite because of either dominance or fear issues, as I've outlined above. Dogs have an innate 'taste for blood' - watch any dog when there's a chance for a meat meal ! We obviously get the odd dead calf or, worse, cow here and while the dogs wouldn't dream of harming a live calf or cow, as soon as there's a dead 'un, they're in like Flynn.

If you followed the logic of the 'taste for blood' idea, then no bovine would be safe here - after, my bitches know what they taste like (nice!) but of course they know the difference between alive and dead and so what is and isn't permissable to eat. Same on virtually any farm.
 
Dogs have an innate 'taste for blood' - watch any dog when there's a chance for a meat meal ! We obviously get the odd dead calf or, worse, cow here and while the dogs wouldn't dream of harming a live calf or cow, as soon as there's a dead 'un, they're in like Flynn.

And very similar to that, my cats will crawl all over me for a bit of tuna nigiri, as long as it isn't infected by wasabi paste.
 
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Likewise.


Anyway, I shall put it in simpler terms for you in case didn't understand first time around - dogs who bite people SHOULD BE PUT DOWN. If you think that is 'utter bollocks' and 'spouting cack' then you shouldn't be keeping dogs in the first place.

Perhaps you should learn to read & you would of read that it was bollocks about dogs getting the taste of blood not about them biting in general,

But as I have been told by several PM's this afternoon from various members not to bother getting involved in a debate with you as you think you are always right even though you are wrong!

I am obviously not the only one
 
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