Totesport Trophy Hurdle

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3:10 Totesport Trophy Hurdle Handicap Grade 3 (Class 1) (4yo+) £ 2m110y

77 run



No. Form Horse Trainer RTF % Wgt Jockey
-45341 Ebaziyan 28 W P Mullins 7 11-12 155 159 133 — 2-7
67F339 Adamant Approach 27 W P Mullins 14 11-8 151 141 145 — 5-34
21-446 Clopf 42 E J O´Grady 7 11-7 150 157 141 — 4-9
1421-4 Punjabi 45 N J Henderson 5 11-7 150 158 149 — 3-6
71-033 Penzance 45 A King 7 11-5 148 161 155 — 5-16
/1113- Amaretto Rose 333 N J Henderson 7 11-2 145 153 141 — 4-6
17462- Kalderon 288 T Hogan 8 11-1 144 153 144 — 2-7
33-121 Breedsbreeze 35 P F Nicholls 6 11-0 143 157 146 — 1-3
5R583P Overstrand 30 Dr R D P Newland 9 11-0 143 149 136 — 5-27
1-0710 Alexander Taipan 27 W P Mullins 8 10-13 142 159 157 — 2-7
11F125 Alsadaa 35 Mrs L J Mongan 5 10-12 141 159 160 — 3-6
111112 Deep Purple 35 Evan Williams 7 10-11 140 157 156 — 4-5
31/0-5 Mephisto 70 J Howard Johnson 9 10-11 140 161 99 — 0-1
36-033 Mobaasher 88 P F Nicholls 5 10-11 140 160 158 — 0-4
2P308- Whispered Promises 301 D E Pipe 7 10-11 140 139 136 — 2-10
36-111 Jack The Giant 32 N J Henderson 6 10-10 139 157 158 — 5-10
8787-1 Sweet Wake 243 Noel Meade 7 10-10 139 162 159 — 3-9
61-116 Kings Quay 77 J J Quinn 6 10-9 138 157 157 — 3-7
135135 Pigeon Island 49 N A Twiston-Davies 5 10-9 138 157 155 — 1-10
20-217 Deutschland 27 W P Mullins 5 10-8 137 154 149 — 2-6
430-40 Trouble At Bay 49 A King 8 10-8 137 160 134 — 6-16
1-1100 Viso 27 W P Mullins 5 10-8 137 154 148 — 3-8
23311/ Blue Shark 774 N J Henderson 6 10-7 136 - - — 1-1
27020U French Saulaie 35 P J Hobbs 7 10-7 136 163 160 — 2-11
11-116 Ring The Boss 57 P J Hobbs 7 10-7 136 156 155 — 3-8
214-30 Altilhar 49 (31F) G L Moore 5 10-6 135 159 153 — 3-8
465-00 Caracciola 203 (112F) N J Henderson 11 10-6 135 164 163 — 6-27
4F-250 Don´t Be Bitin 27 Eoin Griffin 7 10-6 135 132 122 — 3-18
F138-5 Shatabdi 28 N J Henderson 6 10-6 135 158 146 — 2-6
F8-145 Jayo 27 W P Mullins 5 10-5 134 154 152 — 2-7
4-2320 Leading Run 27 Noel Meade 9 10-5 134 159 159 — 4-7
15-351d Streets Of Gold 43 C Roche 6 10-5 134 153 138 — 0-6
/1200- Tarlac 330 N J Henderson 7 10-5 134 154 151 — 2-8
8-3319 Doctor David 35 Mrs Caroline Bailey 5 10-4 133 159 130 — 2-8
2131-6 Laustra Bad 78 D E Pipe 5 10-4 133 157 155 — 4-11
11-191 Missis Potts 30 P J Hobbs 7 10-4 133 156 155 — 4-6
31F0-F Trompette 35 N J Henderson 6 10-4 133 161 156 — 3-9
/100-1 Fleet Street 32 N J Henderson 9 10-3 132 159 146 — 4-9
2-4243 King´s Revenge 49 A King 5 10-3 132 159 160 — 2-11
-60111 Palomar 44 N G Richards 6 10-3 132 158 152 — 2-7
-11264 Platin Grounds 57 N A Twiston-Davies 6 10-3 132 154 145 — 3-8
050-40 Power Elite 27 Noel Meade 8 10-3 132 152 142 — 2-15
-52223 Silver Jaro 27 T Hogan 5 10-3 132 154 153 — 1-8
306-76 Victram 49 Adrian McGuinness 8 10-3 132 160 159 — 4-20
322124 Roman Villa 27 Gordon Elliott 6 10-2 131 157 158 — 1-14
151/07 Chiaro 63 P J Hobbs 6 10-1 130 154 142 — 2-4
35-211 County Zen 63 P J Hobbs 5 10-1 130 152 152 — 2-5
6-3125 Jered 69 Noel Meade 6 10-1 130 148 145 — 2-5
P1-110 Kanad 63 C J Mann 6 10-1 130 154 148 — 4-8
/12P-2 Princelet 45 N J Henderson 6 10-0 129 157 137 — 2-5
2-31 Song Of Songs 45 J R Fanshawe 6 10-0 129 161 156 — 1-3
4/21 Blue Bajan 65 Andrew Turnell 6 9-13 128 153 152 — 1-3
-70005 Heathcote 35 G L Moore 6 9-13 128 150 129 — 4-13
0-0018 Stumped 35 H D Daly 5 9-13 128 159 159 — 2-8
2-3141 Dancer´s Serenade 28 Ferdy Murphy 6 9-12 127 156 124 — 1-1
3-1631 Five Dream 35 P F Nicholls 4 9-12 137 158 158 — 1-3
731 Luxurix 36 P R Webber 7 9-12 127 154 148 — 1-3
-12913 Mon Michel 35 G L Moore 5 9-12 127 163 162 — 1-9
135-60 Island Life 27 Noel Meade 5 9-11 126 155 134 — 2-9
/P4P-3 Tiger cry 77 A L T Moore 10 9-11 126 142 56 — 3-21
2-1203 Ingratitude 33 N J Henderson 5 9-10 125 151 151 — 2-8
472/10 Pace Shot 63 G L Moore 6 9-10 125 137 122 — 3-9
097419 Gabier 28 G L Moore 5 9-9 124 148 148 — 0-5
0-0503 Manhattan Boy 32 P J Hobbs 6 9-8 123 156 150 — 2-7
220-23 Mohayer 29 D McCain Jnr 6 9-8 123 155 154 — 2-12
217-13 Wingman 63 G L Moore 6 9-8 123 155 145 — 2-8
2121-8 Wise Owl 273 D E Pipe 6 9-8 123 150 149 — 2-4
1215 Esprit De Corps 35 P J Hobbs 6 9-7 122 149 135 — 1-2
3-124 Planet Of Sound 32 P J Hobbs 6 9-6 121 140 136 — 1-4
415/2P Azulejo 63 M Scudamore 10 9-5 120 - - — 1-2
0-2240 Boulavogue 27 C F Swan 5 9-5 120 149 151 — 1-5
1-0F Penn Da Benn 28 P J Hobbs 5 9-5 120 147 93 — 0-2
145 Sonnium 28 W P Mullins 4 9-3 128 145 140 — 1-3
22232 Bremen 36 P J Hobbs 5 9-1 116 143 143 — 0-5
F813 Sesenta 28 W P Mullins 4 9-1 126 137 102 — 1-4
F5-F26 Stripe Me Blue 39 P J Jones 6 8-13 114 143 143 — 1-6
232 Dani California 37 W P Mullins 4 8-4 115 130 83 — 0-3
 
Dani California was my dark horse for this season. Doubtful she'll run but I think she can pick up a nice handicap hurdle by the end of next season (would say this but her rating dictates otherwise at this stage).
 
Will be interesting to see how Blue Shark gets on if he runs on Saturday, I remember being told they thought a lot of him before he ran in the Finale at chepstow and he absolutely blew them away despite the fact he looks like he wants 3 miles and fences.
 
-52223 Silver Jaro 27 T Hogan 5 10-3 132 154 153 — 1-8

322124 Roman Villa 27 Gordon Elliott 6 10-2 131 157 158 — 1-14
 
I have backed Victrim for this at 32s on Betfair. Only a few quid, but i couldnt resist. Also may try and get matched on Blue Shark at big odds before his next run, his last run will stay with me for a long time!! Had a right touch that day, and have been waiting for him to reappear. Always a worry though when they have been off.

If Victrim gets its soft, then he will be there abouts. Was givin too much to do last year.
 
I'm interested in Sweet Wake on a flat track. The swathe he cut through the County Hurdle field to lead at the last was one of the most impressive things I saw last season. There'll be no hill to find him out and he's had a wind operation since his last run. I'm sure I read that Meade was considering this race for his next run.
 
Originally posted by del boy@Jan 16 2008, 06:33 PM
I have backed Victrim for this at 32s on Betfair. Only a few quid, but i couldnt resist. Also may try and get matched on Blue Shark at big odds before his next run, his last run will stay with me for a long time!! Had a right touch that day, and have been waiting for him to reappear. Always a worry though when they have been off.

If Victrim gets its soft, then he will be there abouts. Was givin too much to do last year.
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He always gets given far too much to do, unfortunately its the way he's always ridden.

Mind you Kevin Tobin is better than Johnny "Red" Farrelly
 
Yep, tobin aint bad at all Chris, not bad at all. Need a lot of luck in these races, but some horses seem to run better in big fields, enjoy passing horses, and i think he is one of them. A bit of luck and hel win another big one i would be thinking.
 
The Lanzarote would have been ideal for him until 2 years ago when someone made a decision to move a decent 2m handicap up to 2m 5f.
 
I've had a quick overview of the race and this is shaping up very similarly to last year's race.

The way the official handicapper is reacting to hurdles form means exposed performers have no chance unless they've been dropped significantly for a loss of their best form.

I reckon it will go to something of that ilk or, more likely, to something entirely unexposed.

Blue Shark may well fit the bill. The list of his Finale victims is starting to shape up like a who's who of smart horses. He won impressively by 8l, 11l, nk, and 10l from Turko (currently 155), Patman Du Charmil (138), Fair Along (152) and Twist Magic (173).

Had he remained in training in the ensuing two years, there has to be the chance he'd be running off chase ORs in the mid-150s or higher. The trip might be too sharp by now and the likes of the Coral Cup might well be his target but he looks a prospect.

I've started punting Blue Bajan. He'll probably need the ground to start drying up and is worryingly long at Betfair compared with the bookies but this might be a Champion Hurdle outsider sitting on 128. He's rated 111 on the Flat so he has class and speed. He'll get in off a low weight (if he does get in, that is) and appears to be rated on the bare form of his last win which was achieved "hard held" according to the form book. If he is a Champion Hurdle horse, he can afford to pick up a penalty to improve his chances of a run.
 
Dancer Serenade (Ferdy Murphy)to win this and the County Hurdle according to a local (to me) trainer who has plotted one or two in the last twelve months and who has an entry of his own in the Totesport.
 
Will be interesting to see whether Penzance goes for this... Meanwhile I've had a nibble at my old friend Caracciola as his ratings are so good compared to almost anything else in the race. I'd have backed him anyway e/w as I think he's being laid out for this - it's a race NH is always v keen to win - but I did find SEgal's arguments persuasive anyway.

Hard to call tho until we know what's 'in the race'
 
Caracciola would be my idea of a really good 'marker' for the race. I expect him to run to his best and would expect to be able to rely on him to rate the race overall. He could be the winner but I'd be disappointed if there weren't one or two less exposed types to improve past him.
 
I had a good look at the form last night.

The more I look at it the more I like Blue Bajan.

Also, I backed Island Life in the Pierse and I see it's engaged here. He'd be a stone or so better off with the principals from the Pierse.

I haven't got the figures in front of me but I'll put up a few names this evening of ones that seem well treated.
 
Whay-hay, on here five minutes and giving advice........................slow down useful.

Feel the temp with your toe before you go headfirst.

Just a little bit of friendly advice. :rant: :laughing:
 
I still need to double check some of the Irish entries and some of the odler form but so far:

Caracciola and Heathcote are markers. They're just about well enough handicapped to go close in a Grade 2. However, it would be unusual for either to have a winning mark for this particular race.

Penzance has but you need to go back a couple of seasons. His current form isn't good enough. There have been noises from the yard saying he's as good as he was but his racecourse figures aren't backing this comment up.

Altilhar looks ona par with Heatchote and Caracciola but may have more to come.

Others with prospects of improving past the markers are Doctor David, Alsadaa, Whispered Promises, Viso, Missis Potts, Kings Revenge, Palomar and maybe Stumped.

However, their improvement looks limited. The handicapper looks to have a tight grip on horses that have been running in handicaps so I'm inclined to look for something that would have prospects in the Supreme Novices, the Sun Alliance or the Champion Hurdle. Those above 11st might struggle to give away weight to broadly similar types further down so the ones I'm most interested in at the moment are (excluding ome of the less exposed Irish ones as I've still to get a handle on them):

Blue Shark
Fleet Street
Palomar
Song Of Songs
Blue Bajan
 
I'm not sure why why because I've never done any stats so it's a hunch, but I always prefer to punt older horses with good ratings AND which have experience in big fields, for these big Saturday races - NH or flat in fact. I tend to go for battle-hardened experience over 'improvement' - it works better in handicaps than in level weights races for some reason. But it's specifically big field races I'm talking about here

These older horses tend to be overpriced imo, possibly because 'pundits' consider them over-exposed so dismiss them, and in big Saturday handicaps you get lots of 'Saturday punters' who follow what the papers put up, ie back the fav/top 3 in the betting. This means they are very good e/w or place punts as you can often pick up more from the places than backing the winner. You can also get the winner at a good price if you are lucky - which I often am in these races.

Regarding Penzance, AK feels he has got him back to his best, ie pre-Triumph, form, and the horse does seem to have re-kindled enthusiasm this year. He's only been beaten this season by borderline Group 1/2 horses, hasn't he? - ignoring his PU on unsuitably soft going. He would interest me in the race, should he run.

Why is Heathcote a marker DO?
I can't quite see that on his form figs/ratings, hope you don't mind my asking :)
 
Ground will be very testing at Newbury Heads; surely that must rule Penzance out?

Victram is the one in this, I'm telling you lads. kevin Tobbin has said to Aido he will be ideal for this.

He got kicked in the paddock and missed the Pierse but it could be a blessing in disguise. I'm investing.

Chris
 
Don't mean to be disrespectful to you or Kevin Tobin, Chris.

But how would he know (from his vast experience of riding in the race????) what horse would be ideal for the race?
 
Originally posted by Headstrong@Jan 23 2008, 03:56 AM
I'm not sure why why because I've never done any stats so it's a hunch, but I always prefer to punt older horses with good ratings AND which have experience in big fields, for these big Saturday races - NH or flat in fact. I tend to go for battle-hardened experience over 'improvement' - it works better in handicaps than in level weights races for some reason. But it's specifically big field races I'm talking about here

These older horses tend to be overpriced imo, possibly because 'pundits' consider them over-exposed so dismiss them, and in big Saturday handicaps you get lots of 'Saturday punters' who follow what the papers put up, ie back the fav/top 3 in the betting. This means they are very good e/w or place punts as you can often pick up more from the places than backing the winner. You can also get the winner at a good price if you are lucky - which I often am in these races.

Regarding Penzance, AK feels he has got him back to his best, ie pre-Triumph, form, and the horse does seem to have re-kindled enthusiasm this year. He's only been beaten this season by borderline Group 1/2 horses, hasn't he? - ignoring his PU on unsuitably soft going. He would interest me in the race, should he run.

Why is Heathcote a marker DO?
I can't quite see that on his form figs/ratings, hope you don't mind my asking :)
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I'd go some way to agreeing, HS. The older ones do tend to offer good EW opportunities but how often do they win the really big one?

Geos managed to do so because he'd come back down to around his previous winning mark but the form book shows the vast majority of these big races are won by improvers.

Heathcote is a marker because he's won the race and, on that form, is entitled to consideration this time even though he's done nothing this season. He's 3lbs higher but the handicapper has tightened his grip on all the exposed handicappers. Caracciola is a pound lower so they should finish very close to each other. We can be pretty sure Caracciola will run his race, being trained by the master, but I wouldn't be surprised if Heathcote made a sudden return to form.

Neither, however, is weighted to win so whatever runs better than them on the day will be involved at the death. Hence they're 'markers'.
 
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