Colin Phillips
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Don't they refer to this sort of thing as "being in denial".
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I have apologised to Phil
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Ta!
dvds2000
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Wow I watch tv for a bit and all hell breaks loose 
FWIW I don't consider Paki a racist term (although I know plenty of white people who do). Why don't I? Simply because I used to work with a lot of people from Pakistan, and guess what, they all referred to themselves as Paki's. They would say things like - that paki over there. My local shop has an owner from Pakistan. He often talks to me about other 'Paki' shops - his words not mine. I think it depends on the way its said as to if it is racist rather than the word itself.
Anyway I've just put my flame proof jacket on
As for the main purpose of this thread, I am getting sick of having to delete stuff, and reading the petty squabbles that seem to be going on. Can people not have a discussion without making snide comments, calling people names (I grew out of that when I was about 10), and making a difference of opinion into a full blown argument that threatens to escalate into world war 3.
Instead of moaning about dodgy posts being deleted, how about thinking about my position for once? I 'could' be taken to court over some comments that have appeared on here in the past had they not been removed (check the case against Demon a few years ago). I would hope that no one would ever try to do that, but you never know. I put my time/money/effort into this board and I'm certainly not going to risk being taken to court over libellous or slanderous comments I allow to remain here.
If anyone has a problem with that then leave now, post on here that you are going and I'll ban you to save you the hassle of ever mistakenly coming back.
If you stay then I'll take it you agree with what I've said and will start acting your ages and stop the petty schoolyard type arguments
FWIW I don't consider Paki a racist term (although I know plenty of white people who do). Why don't I? Simply because I used to work with a lot of people from Pakistan, and guess what, they all referred to themselves as Paki's. They would say things like - that paki over there. My local shop has an owner from Pakistan. He often talks to me about other 'Paki' shops - his words not mine. I think it depends on the way its said as to if it is racist rather than the word itself.
Anyway I've just put my flame proof jacket on
As for the main purpose of this thread, I am getting sick of having to delete stuff, and reading the petty squabbles that seem to be going on. Can people not have a discussion without making snide comments, calling people names (I grew out of that when I was about 10), and making a difference of opinion into a full blown argument that threatens to escalate into world war 3.
Instead of moaning about dodgy posts being deleted, how about thinking about my position for once? I 'could' be taken to court over some comments that have appeared on here in the past had they not been removed (check the case against Demon a few years ago). I would hope that no one would ever try to do that, but you never know. I put my time/money/effort into this board and I'm certainly not going to risk being taken to court over libellous or slanderous comments I allow to remain here.
If anyone has a problem with that then leave now, post on here that you are going and I'll ban you to save you the hassle of ever mistakenly coming back.
If you stay then I'll take it you agree with what I've said and will start acting your ages and stop the petty schoolyard type arguments
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Col - I can't agree with you about the use of the word Paki not being racist . I think the use of a term inside an ethnic community is one thing - e.g the reclaiming by certain black rap groups of racist terms but used by a person of another race the term itself is derogatory whether intentional or not .
dvds2000
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All I can say is the guys I worked with certainly didn't think it racist.
Maybe if I was saying something like F off you Paki B then I would agree it was racist, but more often than not it would be used in the context (by both the whites and Pakistani lads) if a white guy and a pakistani guy were next to each other and you had to tell someone to get something from one, it would usually be either - the paki is the one you need to see, or the white guy is the one you need to see.
It didn't ever cross my mind that anyone was being racist if they said 'see the white guy/the english guy/the Makem, the Geordie (tho that was an insult ) over there'; referring to me, so why should they find it racist if I (or anyone else) said see the Paki/Asian/Black guy over there?
One of my closest friends is black, and doesn't blin if I call him black, and finds it extremely stupid when people say we shouldn't say 'black' as it doesnt offend him in the slightest (unless it is meant to be insulting - ie you black bas**** obviously)
Maybe if I was saying something like F off you Paki B then I would agree it was racist, but more often than not it would be used in the context (by both the whites and Pakistani lads) if a white guy and a pakistani guy were next to each other and you had to tell someone to get something from one, it would usually be either - the paki is the one you need to see, or the white guy is the one you need to see.
It didn't ever cross my mind that anyone was being racist if they said 'see the white guy/the english guy/the Makem, the Geordie (tho that was an insult
) over there'; referring to me, so why should they find it racist if I (or anyone else) said see the Paki/Asian/Black guy over there?One of my closest friends is black, and doesn't blin if I call him black, and finds it extremely stupid when people say we shouldn't say 'black' as it doesnt offend him in the slightest (unless it is meant to be insulting - ie you black bas**** obviously)
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There is a difference between paki and white though isn't there ? Like say Asian and honky
Honky is a racist term used against whites . In China and HK gwailo is a racist term against whites . Offence is on how the person against whom it is used perceives it not what was intended in my opinion .
It is a sensitive subject .
Honky is a racist term used against whites . In China and HK gwailo is a racist term against whites . Offence is on how the person against whom it is used perceives it not what was intended in my opinion .
It is a sensitive subject .
dvds2000
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We shall agree to disagree
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Sure
Colin Phillips
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Col,
Could you possibley PM me with the post of mine that you've deleted.
I really can't think that I've made an offensive post.
With respect,
Colin Phillips
Could you possibley PM me with the post of mine that you've deleted.
I really can't think that I've made an offensive post.
With respect,
Colin Phillips
Maybe the best thing to think of before posting a particular word or phrase on here is whether you'd use it face-to-face with the type of person you're referring to? But the main thing is to keep in mind that Col CAN be prosecuted if we transgress the rules we've all signed up to agree to.
Lenny Bruce, the late American 'comic' (who was Jewish) used to refer to himself, when playing in front of some redneck crowds, as a 'Kike comic'. That's okay for him - he was a Jew, and he was pre-empting any racial heckling. He was taking away the power of a racial insult from anyone thinking of hurling one, just as some Afro-Americans have turned the tables on historical (and sadly often still current) white verbal abuse, by calling themselves 'niggers' (or 'niggaz'). It's really throwing the phrase back at white racists, but that doesn't mean it's okay for white folks to go around yelling it out.
As a woman, I'm fed up with the current efforts made by crass tv shows to try to drum up the use of the word 'c*nt' in the same way that 'f*ck' is now virtually commonplace. It's not a word ever intended for anything but insult. Say that, in an ordinary, everyday context to most women, and you OUGHT to get a back-hander across your mouth. But women are made to feel it's 'uncool' if they mind being called a c*nt, a whore (or 'ho', ho-ho-ho), a bitch, and any other kind of disrespect.
The Western world seems to have gone mad, much via America, with degrading words for women, 'ragheads' for Arabs, while all the old-time rubbish of kike, dago, wop, fuzzy-wuzzy, nig-nog, gooks, curry-muncher, tar baby, nigger, honky, cracker, and froggy still abound in one form or another - and for what? Just to keep reinforcing the 'difference' between 'us' and 'them'. And let's not forget our homosexual community - they're fags, cornholers, bum boys, and a long list of other epithets too unpleasant to put here. Again, all to emphasize the 'them' and 'us' divide. If you're not black and not gay, so what? You don't have to worry about involuntarily changing your colour or sexual orientation overnight, so why make such a big deal about what someone else is?
I thought this world was supposed to be trying to become more tolerant, to be more mutually-supportive (a la the response to the tsunami), not continue to cling to outdated, phobic irrelevancies? Ditching the racial and sexual insults is nothing to do with political correctness, it's everything to do with a common respect for your fellow travellers through your short, short, life.
So, show some respect to all those honky dikes and cracker trash out there!
Lenny Bruce, the late American 'comic' (who was Jewish) used to refer to himself, when playing in front of some redneck crowds, as a 'Kike comic'. That's okay for him - he was a Jew, and he was pre-empting any racial heckling. He was taking away the power of a racial insult from anyone thinking of hurling one, just as some Afro-Americans have turned the tables on historical (and sadly often still current) white verbal abuse, by calling themselves 'niggers' (or 'niggaz'). It's really throwing the phrase back at white racists, but that doesn't mean it's okay for white folks to go around yelling it out.
As a woman, I'm fed up with the current efforts made by crass tv shows to try to drum up the use of the word 'c*nt' in the same way that 'f*ck' is now virtually commonplace. It's not a word ever intended for anything but insult. Say that, in an ordinary, everyday context to most women, and you OUGHT to get a back-hander across your mouth. But women are made to feel it's 'uncool' if they mind being called a c*nt, a whore (or 'ho', ho-ho-ho), a bitch, and any other kind of disrespect.
The Western world seems to have gone mad, much via America, with degrading words for women, 'ragheads' for Arabs, while all the old-time rubbish of kike, dago, wop, fuzzy-wuzzy, nig-nog, gooks, curry-muncher, tar baby, nigger, honky, cracker, and froggy still abound in one form or another - and for what? Just to keep reinforcing the 'difference' between 'us' and 'them'. And let's not forget our homosexual community - they're fags, cornholers, bum boys, and a long list of other epithets too unpleasant to put here. Again, all to emphasize the 'them' and 'us' divide. If you're not black and not gay, so what? You don't have to worry about involuntarily changing your colour or sexual orientation overnight, so why make such a big deal about what someone else is?
I thought this world was supposed to be trying to become more tolerant, to be more mutually-supportive (a la the response to the tsunami), not continue to cling to outdated, phobic irrelevancies? Ditching the racial and sexual insults is nothing to do with political correctness, it's everything to do with a common respect for your fellow travellers through your short, short, life.
So, show some respect to all those honky dikes and cracker trash out there!
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Colin P - I have Pmed you mate .
Aunty K - brilliantly put
Aunty K - brilliantly put
That'll be £25, please, for my Starter Course in Basic Ethics...
I put lots of nasty words in purely for the point of demonstrating how incredibly offensive these things have been, historically, through slavery, colonization, religious intolerance, and various other suppressions. I don't condone any of them and I don't use them, including 'Paki' - if a Pakistani person wants to refer to one of his or her own nationality thus, that's their business. Generally, in this country, where it's been used in a derogatory fashion, I think it's best swerved.
I had many Afro-American friends in Saudi Arabia, some of whom found it hilarious to refer to themselves as 'niggers', but at the same time called the Saudis 'raggies' ('ragheads' - for the ghutra worn on the head). So for one racial group, which has suffered so much, you'd think there'd be some innate respect for another, wouldn't you? But that's far from the story round the world, and there's still a long way to go until this tiny, tiny, tiny little planet, twirling in the vastness of infinity, learns to value ALL of itself.
I put lots of nasty words in purely for the point of demonstrating how incredibly offensive these things have been, historically, through slavery, colonization, religious intolerance, and various other suppressions. I don't condone any of them and I don't use them, including 'Paki' - if a Pakistani person wants to refer to one of his or her own nationality thus, that's their business. Generally, in this country, where it's been used in a derogatory fashion, I think it's best swerved.
I had many Afro-American friends in Saudi Arabia, some of whom found it hilarious to refer to themselves as 'niggers', but at the same time called the Saudis 'raggies' ('ragheads' - for the ghutra worn on the head). So for one racial group, which has suffered so much, you'd think there'd be some innate respect for another, wouldn't you? But that's far from the story round the world, and there's still a long way to go until this tiny, tiny, tiny little planet, twirling in the vastness of infinity, learns to value ALL of itself.
Flagship uberalles
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And what age are yu reputed to be again? Maybe I have missed something but holy good fk don't tell me u are married and you still live at home and don't follow up on your bets!!!!
Regardless in what context it is meant, the term "paki" will always be racist and it will always be perceived as racist; and rightly so.
Colin Phillips
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Krizon and Ardross, thanks.
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jejquade
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Its funny it always offends white people. But not the actually people. Doesn't that say something?
jejquade
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I totaly agree with that statement. Like i said its always white people that seem to find words like that offensive.
I beg your pardon, i dont understand what you mean ?, As for being married yes i am 8yrs married as a matter of fact and with 2 children. :blink: I hope your not mixing me up with Pro which was Joe !! because thats not me im The Fox from Oh Racing.
Bar the Bull
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This forum is getting more and more ludicrous.
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Hello Barry hope all well with you . have you started your trip across OZ yet
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