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Good to see Chakrabati and the usual bunch of semi autistic creepy lawyers quickly speaking up for the "rights" of Al Quaeda operatives to stay in this country.

Despite the fact that they are not british citizens we seemingly have a duty to protect them according to the european court of human rights. Perhaps they have the right to demand bomb making equipment too?

I am not anti european union by any means, but this is crap

They are NOT british citizens. They came here on one of labours ridiculous "Student" visas with the sole intention of attacks against UK subjects

...and they have to stay
 
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No doubt if Labour was still in power it would be getting the blame for it. Interesting that the pro-Tory media are deafeningly silent regarding the new Home Secretary.
 
Pretty illogical reply, DO - I hardly think this ongoing trial and hearing just happened in the last ten days, do you ?

And regardless of who is in power, the legal system in this country is no different now than it was two weeks ago and in this case I genuinely think it's letting us down. I am all for genuine asylum seekers to be permitted to stay here but this is really taking the p*ss out of our system and inhumane though it might make me sound, I couldn't care less what fate awaits this particular crowd should they be returned to their native country. If the laws of their country of citizenship are less than 'civilised', then they should have been putting all their efforts in making a reasoned change there and not inflicting their extremist crap on us..
 
Why should they be prosecuted here?

They are here on "student visas" which are a granted in good faith (stupidly and for dubious reasons IMO) and are not a right.
 
My point is that the 'system' doesn't really depend on the government yet throughout the last 13 years any perceived failings in the system have been directly attributed to successive Labour Home Secretaries by the right-wing media.
 
It wasn't the tory government who handed out the student visas, nor would the tories have passed the lisbon treaty in the way labour did.
 
clivex said:
Why should they be prosecuted here?
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Because if there is evidence of someone in the UK planning a terrorist attack here, they should be prosecuted here regardless of where they're from.

So, does anyone know why the individuals in question weren't prosecuted here?
 
Because the evidence they have is "inadmissable". Wire taps etc. But thats irrelevant of course. why should a conviction be required for a student visa to be revoked? No rreason at all. Again visas are not a right
 
Anyone who takes a human life automatically forfeits all but the most basic rights for themselves, so far as I am concerned. Basic human decencies are allowed, but no more than that.

Funny how "God's will" is always exactly the same as the extremist's own thoughts and feelings.
 
redhead said:
Anyone who takes a human life automatically forfeits all but the most basic rights for themselves, so far as I am concerned. Basic human decencies are allowed, but no more than that.
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How does that apply to this case?
 
I am not anti european union by any means, but this is crap
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On a point of information, the European Court of Human Rights is not connected to the EU. It pre-dates the EU by several years and has a membership of 47 member states compared with the EU's 27.
 
It's not un-obvious:
"Article 3 includes an absolute obligation not to expel anyone to a country where they might be subjected to treatment that violates it."

Article 3 says: "No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment."

Fairly civilised, then.
 
redhead said:
Anyone who takes a human life automatically forfeits all but the most basic rights for themselves, so far as I am concerned. Basic human decencies are allowed, but no more than that.

Funny how "God's will" is always exactly the same as the extremist's own thoughts and feelings.
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gods will is actually mans will isn't it?..seeing as man created god and not vice versa
 
If Man created God, and God created Man, then... hang on, I've got a bit confused. I'm a devout St Ockhamite myself, and am waiting to see the evidence... I can put any amount of 'experiences' down to a lack of sugar or Vitamin C.

There's no guarantee that Pakistan would act unpleasantly towards their errant sons, but there's no guarantee that it would not, so let's take the view that it's a civilized country, too, and return their naughty boys (and girls, if appropriate) and make sure we mark their cards to prevent any future return to Britain, for 'studies' or AOB. They are Pakistani nationals, thus they knew full well how their own country might view their activities before they decided to plan their nonsense. Now let them be brave little soldiers and take whatever lies ahead - surely they want to die martyrs, anyway?

All Pakistan has to do is to say 'of course we wouldn't dream of torturing them - send them home to their loving families'. They have an excellent security service which is also bolstered by embedded USA Secret Service personnel, which I'm sure would take care of the caveat that Pakistan didn't inflict any unpleasantness upon them, per se.
 
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Exactly - well, not enough, according to the CPS, with which to mount a prosecution likely to result in a conviction, which is slightly different. Therefore, he is innocent since he can't be proved guilty, and as he therefore isn't a convicted terrorist, I don't see the problem with him returning to the beloved motherland. Why would anybody torture someone who has not even got to the trial process? But all a foreigner has to say in the UK is that he or she fears torture on return home, and there, there, do stay at our expense, darling, even if you had downloaded all those DIY bomb and missile sites, and got the latest edition of Terrorism for Dummies.
 
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Exactly - well, not enough, according to the CPS, with which to mount a prosecution likely to result in a conviction, which is slightly different. Therefore, he is innocent since he can't be proved guilty, and as he therefore isn't a convicted terrorist, I don't see the problem with him returning to the beloved motherland. Why would anybody torture someone who has not even got to the trial process? But all a foreigner has to say in the UK is that he or she fears torture on return home, and there, there, do stay at our expense, darling, even if you had downloaded all those DIY bomb and missile sites, and got the latest edition of Terrorism for Dummies.
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they ought to move him on to the Manor Estate in Sheffield - he'll be begging to return "home" within hours
 
walsworth said:
As I understand this there is NO evidence of a crime at all?
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The evidence against them appears to be intercepted emails, which are inadmissable in court (as clivex mentioned).

So, you might ask, why did they arrest them when they knew they had no admissable evidence with which to charge them?

Remember Bob Quick?

http://deewar.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/bob-quick.jpg

Yeah, that kind of forced their hand. :whistle:
 
EC - he'd enjoy the Abbey Hulton or Knutton estates in Stoke, then! They love welcoming 'foreigners' into their communities. He'll love the late night TWOCOs and subsequent wild racing and fire-ups, the incessant boom-boxes from dusk to dawn, the Staffy x pitbulls tugging at their tattooed white supremacist owners' leads, the drug dealers, the break-ins, the vandalism, the crap through the letterbox...
 
krizon said:
EC - he'd enjoy the Abbey Hulton or Knutton estates in Stoke, then! They love welcoming 'foreigners' into their communities. He'll love the late night TWOCOs and subsequent wild racing and fire-ups, the incessant boom-boxes from dusk to dawn, the Staffy x pitbulls tugging at their tattooed white supremacist owners' leads, the drug dealers, the break-ins, the vandalism, the crap through the letterbox...
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I think we are missing a trick....i think they should make a 2 hour video of all these rough areas and when anyone wants to move here they should shown said video..on a really big screen.. really loud..after the two hours it would be very interesting to see how many pass on the oppurnity to move to our superb multicultural society
 
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