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York Dante Meeting

Desert Orchid said:
2.25 - Thunder Kiss 3/1 (2nd fav) - should be favourite in my book
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When prices came out for this I was looking to be against her as yer know, Ger Lyons fav in a British group race is not a place you want to be but she looked too solid to oppose with what was on offer. I have a rule, that I call the Golden Horn, and that's if the best horse in a Group race isn't fav you back it.
 
Last year's Lincoln 2nd Brunch 3.00, probably ran the race of his life when close behind 2 high class horse latest, and looks the bet @13/2.

Project Dante 4.10 was unlucky to be beaten narrowly in last year's Norfolk and. if the wind-op has served its purpose, could be a class above these.
6/1.
 
Alligator Alley looked like he needed the run I think. Ran well just to get fourth in the end.


Disappointing when they look unfit at a meeting like this but that's the way it goes.

A case of 'maybe another day' as fellow forumite Tony Clanger would say.
 
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Tactics on Thunder Kiss were awful. That's not just York for you, that's a demonstration in the chasm between a Haggas and a Lyons
 
Have bet Royal Patronage in the Dante on the ground he's bred for the Derby and,it appears, being prepped for it.
 
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Bunch of chancers Reet and they get paid

My last 5 star bets have all won and no one pays me.:(

Treyarnon Bay Evens 5Star ***** bet
French War 2/1 4 Star**** bet
Samburu 5star ***** bet 5/4
Cirque Royal 5/2 3Star***Bet
Desert Crown 2star** bet 7/2
 
Tanlic said:
Bunch of chancers Reet and they get paid

My last 5 star bets have all won and no one pays me.:(

Treyarnon Bay Evens 5Star ***** bet
French War 2/1 4 Star**** bet
Samburu 5star ***** bet 5/4
Cirque Royal 5/2 3Star***Bet
Desert Crown 2star** bet 7/2
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That's because those two play at a different part of the market.
 
reet hard said:
Raasel 1.50Y
Ticks all the boxes, so I'm in with both feet.
11/2 Betfair.
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The one thing indeterminate was the pace, and he was drawn well-wide as it turned out.:thumbsdown:
The 'golden highway' theory blown out of the water, mind.:)
 
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I can't say I'm enjoying today's racing.

In the first, neither Copper Knight nor Strong Power appeared able to get into it. I wondered if maybe the centre-to-far side was favoured. Or maybe front-runners under today's conditions.

I had to go out after that first race and only caught Thunder Kiss's race in the bookies. I noticed it had been backed into favouritism and got optimistic but I just thought the jockey got it badly wrong tactically and I was already swearing under my breath by halfway. Why fanny about on a stayer and allow horses better over shorter to dictate their own pace? No wonder the yard's horses don't win often over here, if that's the level of jockeyship they're dealing with.

Then I didn't think Jason Hart was too clever-looking aboard Brunch, again allowing the leaders to dictate their own pace. It then re-occurred to me that there's maybe a front-running bias when they don't overdo the pace. Something to bear in mind for the rest of today and tomorrow.

I haven't seen the Dante yet but the brother phoned me in the car on my way home. He was keen for me to check the replay to see what I think. He wanted me to confirm that they went too fast. I'll check later.

I now need Ravenscraig Castle to rescue an otherwise disappointing day.
 
Euronymous said:
I don't blame the jockey for Thunder Kiss. He was likely under orders to hold her up.
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... for another day, by the look of it...


I've now had a look at the Dante and the sectionals are up at the RTV site.

It looked a very fair race and the sectionals suggest they certainly didn't go too fast, with a closing 105% for the winner. He was probably never more impressive than in the final 50 yards and, being by Nathaniel, looks sure to improve for the step up in trip at Epsom. He's beaten a 112 animal in Royal Patronage 6lbs and done it seemingly with plenty to spare. Assume he'll improve for the run and the step up in trip and I'll be giving him a provisional figure of 118++.

I would say he's put up the most taking trial performance.
 
:blink: You noticed

I see you guys are opposing Nicky's Ahorsewithnoname with Ravenscraig Castle. Good luck

I think he's better at 1m6f so I perfer the Seven Barrows horse with Moore booked again.

A bigger danger could be John Quinn's Frankinstella who has run well here in the past.
 
That Ravenscraig Castle hasn't ran anywhere near his Melrose form from last season a few times now.

He's led the last twice and faded before the finishing line.

I reckon he needs dropping to 1M4F.
 
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Tanlic said:
:blink: You noticed

I see you guys are opposing Nicky's Ahorsewithnoname with Ravenscraig Castle. Good luck

I think he's better at 1m6f so I perfer the Seven Barrows horse with Moore booked again.

A bigger danger could be John Quinn's Frankinstella who has run well here in the past.
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Going nicely, Fist - :thumbsup:
 
Stradivarius is 5 for 5 at York but all good things must come to an end.

He managed to win a couple of races last season similar to todays but he's definitely on the downgrade IMO

Search a Song might appreciate a steady to slow pace more than Stradivarius would and the race turning into a sprint.

Front runner Thunderous tackles 2 miles for the first time so I can't see him tearing off at a rate of knotts.

Search a Song having had a recent run will be spot on for this and has to be worth a few quid.

Search the Song was available at 5/1 on the machine yesterday but now is best priced at 11/4.
 
It's a quiet betting day for me. This is from the stuff I put out last night:

York 3.00 - This is an open race. I’ve taken 10/1 Cockalorum but worry that it’s prepping for the Magnet Cup in which it went close last year off this mark. I like the profiles of Parachute and, especially, Rogue Bear which could be ready to improve again for the step up in trip. I’ll see in the morning if Bollin Joan drifts out from her current 28/1 and take the BOG. I don’t think she should be that price.

York 3.35 - I’m loath to oppose Strad but I’m not convinced he has a 124 in him any more so, given that he’s taking about 50% out of the book, it throws up value elsewhere. I’ll sleep on things. (Still mulling. I'll probably just watch and hope Frankie plays them like a thingmy. Search For A Song has the top rating but Tashkhan has the improving profile.)
 
Rogue Bear is my sole bet today. He went into the tracker immediately after the Lincoln and ran as if he needed further or a much stiffer mile at Newbury next time. I got 6/1 when the market opened on this race late last week and I've topped up at 11/4.
 
I wish I was as keen as you, desert, on the big handicaps, I do occasionally have a stab - two put up on the first day couldn’t even get in the first seven - but any returns are rare birds. The first rule ever given to me all those years ago was NEVER bet on handicaps :). Can’t say I’ve ever stuck to it, though!
 
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