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Someone gave you some sound advice BJ

Trainers are pretty realistic animals who know when their horses are badly h'capped and they get it wrong most of the time. That's the problem with h'caps and why you should avoid them unless you want to lose your balls.

The jumps are a nightmare but the flat is 100 times worse.

Anyone who spends hours on end if not days on end working out handicaps these days should be certified.

Everything you need to find winners is on video.....not doing sums.
 
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I love flat handicaps but I don't study/bet them the traditional way. I trawl the early season races, particularly the 3yos only version. looking for horses and races to follow. I fill my tracker up and just follow those horses. I make a cursory look at the oppo but no more than that. Since I stopped working at the start of last year I've had much more time to watch racing and it's actually brought my love of flat racing up to a level where I'm 50/50 with the Jumps now.
 
barjon said:
I wish I was as keen as you, desert, on the big handicaps, I do occasionally have a stab - two put up on the first day couldn’t even get in the first seven - but any returns are rare birds. The first rule ever given to me all those years ago was NEVER bet on handicaps :). Can’t say I’ve ever stuck to it, though!
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While the majority of my bets are obviously in handicaps, I do tend to be selective about them. I tend to stick to the better (Class 2 / Worth £30k+) televised ones and the ones in which triers are likely to be in the majority.

If I wasn't comfortable with how I'm doing in them I wouldn't be doing it.

I really struggle to part with money on bets that aren't backed up with some form study on my own part but will occasionally bandwagon a selection from a source I trust or in anticipation of a price collapse (which might allow me to lay off for no risk).

Among the reasons I prefer handicaps are the greater likelihood of the reliability of the form, the greater chance of a true-run race and the greater likelihood of value in the bets I strike.

Essentially, I accept I'm pitting my wits against bookies and other punters - and forumites, may I suggest - but my other hobbies are things like the Times Crossword, various forms of Sudoku and, now, Wordle, so the idea of successfully unravelling a complicated handicap appeals to my psyche.

In a nutshell, each to their own...

Love you all...

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I'd add another perspective....

They're handicaps. which means that theoretically anyone can win.

Which means that - if you can spot the potential improver or the one that could bounce back to form or the one that has potentially valid excuses, and balance that against the rest of the runners (with hopefully some of the shorter ones being 'false'...or at least your interpretation is they're false) - then you can land on a bigger priced winner (occasionally).
 
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chaumi said:
I'd add another perspective....
………They're handicaps. which means that theoretically anyone can win…………
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Aye, chaumi, and it probably says something about the robustness of the system that blanket finishes are not a common occurrence.
 
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Rogue Bear is my sole bet today. He went into the tracker immediately after the Lincoln and ran as if he needed further or a much stiffer mile at Newbury next time. I got 6/1 when the market opened on this race late last week and I've topped up at 11/4.
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Yikes! now gone 6/4.Either you have the biggest following in racing or he's the biggest certainty since Frankel won the Guineas.



Good luck hope he pi$$es up
 
barjon said:
Aye, chaumi, and it probably says something about the robustness of the system that blanket finishes are not a common occurrence.
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I'm quite happy for there not to be blanket finishes. It reinforces my belief that the handicappers are tied by their processes, which I'm not.

Just so long as my selection pops its head above the blanket!

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Rogue Bear has been very unlucky. He never settled which was bad enough but what's the chances you're going to come up against an Easterby gamble?

Bollin Jane landed a right touch and was matched for 5k at around 30/1 on the machine and hammered on the course at 25/1 to 12/1.
 
Typical that! I was going to get on at 6/4 thought that price was far too good to be true, then the owner was interviewed saying he was slightly worried of the mare, and I bottled it.
 
I must admit, I wondered if Frankie did the right thing bringing Strad back on the bridle again once he got to the front. I hate seeing a jockey check a horse's momentum. But he got it done in the end.

The horse is a legend but he isn't the beast he once was. I hope they don't take him to the well too much.
 
They are saying Ascot and Goodwood and that will be it, I'm guessing they're saying that 'cos they think the ground will go possibly later in the year and they're just not going to bother. I was really pleased for the horse and the crowd gave him a great reception. I'd love to have a mare to send to him next year.
 
Desert Orchid said:
I must admit, I wondered if Frankie did the right thing bringing Strad back on the bridle again once he got to the front. I hate seeing a jockey check a horse's momentum. But he got it done in the end.

The horse is a legend but he isn't the beast he once was. I hope they don't take him to the well too much.
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He ran to about 112-114. Shite.
 
Backed against him but was still nice to see him win. They did well to find a winable race for him but finding another wont be easy.

Been a good meeting for me so I'm being cautious and backing what looks an easy double at Newbury to end the week

Nashwa 1.72
Persian Force 1.66

3star*** double 2.85
 
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