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The 2025 Grand National

Come on Intense Raffles, Stumptown and Iroko!

At least the additional tricast combo on the day just got less complicated - though I may yet add I Am Maximus - always take the positives! 😂
 

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Gold Cup winner Inothewayurthinkin will not run in the Grand National after landing the Cheltenham Gold Cup, having been scratched from the contest.

Ten other horses have confirmed they will not run in Aintree's main event, including Inothewayurthinkin's Gold Cup rivals Monty's Star and The Real Whacker.

Limerick Lace will not take her place after disappointing in the Mares' Chase, whilst Gentlemansgame is also a non-runner.

Despite outrunning his odds when running in a seventh successive Cheltenham Festival, Envoi Allen joins Galvin, Trelawne, Pinkerton, Git Maker and Gericault Roque as the other no-shows for the big race on April 5.

That's reduced my selections 😃
 
Full list of the 11 that were scratched today;

Envoi Allen
Inothewayurthinkin
Gentlemansgame
Monty’s Star
The Real Whacker
Galvin
Trelawne
Limerick Lace
Pinkerton
Git Maker
Gericault Roque
 
Mr Whatoxo said:
I’m looking at, Bravemansgame, ex John Dance and Monbeg Genius, ex Baroness Mone (or is it Moan) in a reverse forecast. The alleged fraud forecast?
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Ha.

It's not fraudulent to quote odds on them, that's for sure.

I do quite like Monbeg for an each way, in a race that I have never picked the winner of in over 20 years.

I think in the words of a certain Derek Thompson 'say no more.'

If you and Danny fancy him that would be a boost to many.
 
Might And Power said:
Around ten years ago I looked into the previous twenty runnings of the race, off memory the lowest rated runner averaged at an official rating of about 138. Due to further modifications and alterations to the race - including the reduction to 34 runners - the National has attracted a consistently more classier entry, thus resulting in a higher rating for the bottom weights. This year's renewal has a very solid look to it and my guesstimation at this stage is that the lowest rated starter will be from an official mark of 146 to 148, I would not consider even backing one rated at lower than 146 at this stage.

For what it's worth - my two spots of potential value at this stage are:

Broadway Boy ..... EW 66/1 ( 5 Places BetMGM )

Vanillier .... EW 33/1 ( 6 Places Sky )
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The 33's Vanillier ( now 14's gen ) is looking fair value now following the WD of the Gold Cup winner - and I'm happy enough that the 66 for Broadway Boy will be bigger than his odds will be on the day.

I still think the official rating required to get a run will be around the 146 mark

I am looking to add Monbeg Genius 40/1 to my bets EW 5 Places with Paddy

and possibly a couple of others by raceday - it all depends on the odds / value available.
 
Well, my Idas Boy is still in the race. Hadn’t noticed that he was 11, but I’m sure I’ve won with an 11 year old before. I like the look of Beauport, too. Having said that, the way his horses are running at the moment it might be worth backing anything that Gavin Cromwell runs. When Henry was winning everything at Cheltenham he won the National, then last year it was the same with Willie Mullins. This year it’s Gavin Cromwells horses. Wouldn’t put it past Stumptown winning and Vanillier chasing him home ( if he gets in).
 
moehat said:
Well, my Idas Boy is still in the race. Hadn’t noticed that he was 11, but I’m sure I’ve won with an 11 year old before. I like the look of Beauport, too. Having said that, the way his horses are running at the moment it might be worth backing anything that Gavin Cromwell runs. When Henry was winning everything at Cheltenham he won the National, then last year it was the same with Willie Mullins. This year it’s Gavin Cromwells horses. Wouldn’t put it past Stumptown winning and Vanillier chasing him home ( if he gets in).
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Vanillier already guaranteed a run, he is no. 34 in the revised list
 
The Fortune Teller said:
If you and Danny fancy him that would be a boost to many.
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I never said I fancied him. I said Paul Nicholls had said this was his main aim from the start of the season. It'll be training performance of the century if he can produce BMG to win this.

I haven't had a good look at the race as I've had other things on the last couple of weeks. Hopefully the dust is settling and I get to have a good look at Aintree. Just started watching back through the festival as despite booking the week off to watch it I missed the majority of it.

Playing catch up.
 
I haven't been keeping a close eye on the market lately but after INTWYT won the Gold Cup did the bookies lengthen the odds on all the ones they've shortened today?
 
Danny said:
I never said I fancied him. I said Paul Nicholls had said this was his main aim from the start of the season. It'll be training performance of the century if he can produce BMG to win this.

I haven't had a good look at the race as I've had other things on the last couple of weeks. Hopefully the dust is settling and I get to have a good look at Aintree. Just started watching back through the festival as despite booking the week off to watch it I missed the majority of it.

Playing catch up.
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Bravemansgame ran to a very consistent high standard between the 2022 and 2023 King George’s, possibly his best 6 career performances. I’m going to gamble that he hasn’t declined so much in the 15 months since then that he won’t be competitive off only 155.

I’m sure the Grand National will have been the trainer’s sole aim for this horse, this season and I’m confident that at the start of the season he was thinking that to win the Trainers title back, he would need a Grand National winner to do so. As things stand that might not be enough, though he may be saving some of best ammunition for these big meetings in the next 5 or 6 weeks.
 
Robicheaux said:
I can't even think about the race, until I have a rough idea what the ground is going to be like.
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I'd normally be the same I think Vanillier is fairly versatile where ground is concerned. Looks a different animal since the head gear has been applied. Obviously lost a lot of ground in the CC when taking the wrong course but was staying on hand over fist down the home straight. I think he's as rock solid as you'd get in a National providing he's in good order after Cheltenham. Price isn't great now as I'm late to the party as has been usual with everything else going on but he's still a fair bet.
 
Danny said:
I'd normally be the same I think Vanillier is fairly versatile where ground is concerned. Looks a different animal since the head gear has been applied. Obviously lost a lot of ground in the CC when taking the wrong course but was staying on hand over fist down the home straight. I think he's as rock solid as you'd get in a National providing he's in good order after Cheltenham. Price isn't great now as I'm late to the party as has been usual with everything else going on but he's still a fair bet.
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I backed him 2 years ago. I got 100/1 when the weights came out . He looked well handicapped for an Albert Bartlett winner, who was making his way over fences. Transition wasn't easy, + slow deliberate jumping cost him dearly .
I don't think he was in good form last season when he finished way back. Seems in better form this term. He would be on my short list.
Provided there's enough juice in the ground.
 
I have just been through the National entries and I think Royal Pagalille is the only horse that has ran at Cheltenham, but I was forgetting the Cross Country race.
 
Alex said:
I have just been through the National entries and I think Royal Pagalille is the only horse that has ran at Cheltenham, but I was forgetting the Cross Country race.
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Broadway Boy and Stay Away Fay both ran in the Ultima if I remember correctly , there maybe a couple of others
 


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